Butchering removed because vegans were offended?

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why is this allowed?

[Jiro Dragonheart]

Klingenmeister eredeti hozzászólása:

Lethys eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't know if that's true, but I do know that even as a meat eating human it would be extremely out of place to put slaughtering animals into a game like this one. Tonally it would be jarring.

Ok, but

- killing tons of (sometimes) pretty cute dungeon creatures (I think a dust spirit is more cute than a pig)
- killing sentient beings (the shadow people)
- a town filled with sad storys (Kent, Penny,...)
- and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up personalitys (the blond chick, Pennys mother,...)
- several notes on a big war between the shadow people and the dwarfs
- hints on some dark god

doesnt give this game a dark tone? I really dont get you people.


I am not argumenting for getting slaughtering into this game, actually the opposide. I am asking, why this game forbids slaughtering animals, but every other part is secretly ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in every way. I wanted a happy farming game, not a where I have to think "What the ♥♥♥♥!" after speaking to each NPC.
Seeing the autor of this game forbiding slaughtering animals, but having this dark tone through his entire game, I think the autor himself doesnt even notice, how dark his game actually is.

im at fall and i havent really noticed any dark tone yet but i havent seen shadow people, and the blonde chick just seems like your standard stuck up chick. but i havent heard of a lot of the stuff mentioned in your post..at least not yet. but i think there is a difference between having deep story with a dark tone and just killing animals outright for money.

[Klingenmeister]

HiroAnimation eredeti hozzászólása:

Leafshade eredeti hozzászólása:

Well.... and slime farming/butchering, and harvesting rabbits feet.

Slimes are monsters and to most are not considered animals

Ähhh, wat?

So if its not cute, kill it? Even the shadow people on stage 100- 120 who are clearly able to think and speak?

[Uh... No thanks]

Wait what? no butchering? oh god no i want a refund!


Who really truly cares?, the game is a fantastic peice of art in my opinion and butchering is not needed to make it better, it would be exactly the same - just butchering animals needlessly.

[Jiro Dragonheart]

Klingenmeister eredeti hozzászólása:

HiroAnimation eredeti hozzászólása:

Slimes are monsters and to most are not considered animals

Ähhh, wat?

So if its not cute, kill it? Even the shadow people on stage 100- 120 who are clearly able to think and speak?

Idk i personally think monsters are animals, and I consider intelligent ai as equal to humans but not everyone agrees. Also I havent reached 100 yet. Im on like 30.

[DohItAgain]

Two reasons.

A. It wasn't in Harvest Moon, so it's not here.

B. It'd be very tough to balance. Imagine you raised a cow. You need to balance the bonuses of butchering it, against the bonuses of flat selling it or keeping it for milk. What'll happen is that selling the cow for meat or butchering it would need to be VERY profitable; otherwise why would you give up a literal cash cow? Then if it's too profitable, why bother with milk at all?

In Theme : The game is rather wholesome and non-violent. Yes, there are some dark issues dealt with, but those are all family related issues and generally end on positive notes and are done rather softly. The slaughter of an animal is a bit beyond basic family issues, I can't imagine the game allowing you to slaughter up a cow into steaks, and having a cow (which you took care of and potentially bonded with) suddenly gone by your hand.

The compromise is you imagine selling them IS sending them to a butcher.

[Meebs]

butchering is a natural part of any farm that has livestock. so the thing excuse with the villagers is silly.
i dont know what this talk of giant meat explosions is but that would also be silly.

a butchers shed is a specific building. an optional part of gameplay so if you dont like it you just ignor it (same as any other part of the game really).
you send an animal to the shed, little goodbye animation of it entering the shed, meat (and skin) appears in the shed or your inventory.
it wouldnt be the least bit out of place EXCEPT that HM never did it so it could have kid ratings. its only convention that says this would be out of place, when really its more out of place for you to not be able to 'harvest' your livestock.

i would love to see it added to the game with a full breeding mechanic. need a rooster for fertalised eggs, a bull for your milch cows. hell go the whole hog (pun intended) and have cows and goats only produce milk for a season or two after having a calf, less if you forget to milk them (not milking them would also cause them unhappiness same as not being fed). with the pigs have the male pigs be the ones that can truffle hunt and female pigs are your brood sows. give the rabbits their own barn style building so you can breed them, make the building rabbits and chinchillas OR mink (though i guess fur farming is probably abit -too- contriversial in a game thats already had butchering removed). maybe add geese in the place of rabbits in the coop.
more realistic animal mechanics could be added without an accompanying butchery mechanic and food chains because you can sell animals, just the same as if the butchering was in the game and you were choosing to ignor it, but id love to see both simultaniously.


personally i think how an animal is treated and looked after while it is alive is more important then what happens to it once it is dead. dead is dead, and waste is shameful.

[ll_Vaporware_ll]

Meebs eredeti hozzászólása:

butchering is a natural part of any farm that has livestock. so the thing excuse with the villagers is silly.
i dont know what this talk of giant meat explosions is but that would also be silly.

a butchers shed is a specific building. an optional part of gameplay so if you dont like it you just ignor it (same as any other part of the game really).
you send an animal to the shed, little goodbye animation of it entering the shed, meat (and skin) appears in the shed or your inventory.
it wouldnt be the least bit out of place EXCEPT that HM never did it so it could have kid ratings. its only convention that says this would be out of place, when really its more out of place for you to not be able to 'harvest' your livestock.

i would love to see it added to the game with a full breeding mechanic. need a rooster for fertalised eggs, a bull for your milch cows. hell go the whole hog (pun intended) and have cows and goats only produce milk for a season or two after having a calf, less if you forget to milk them (not milking them would also cause them unhappiness same as not being fed). with the pigs have the male pigs be the ones that can truffle hunt and female pigs are your brood sows. give the rabbits their own barn style building so you can breed them, make the building rabbits and chinchillas OR mink (though i guess fur farming is probably abit -too- contriversial in a game thats already had butchering removed). maybe add geese in the place of rabbits in the coop.
more realistic animal mechanics could be added without an accompanying butchery mechanic and food chains because you can sell animals, just the same as if the butchering was in the game and you were choosing to ignor it, but id love to see both simultaniously.


personally i think how an animal is treated and looked after while it is alive is more important then what happens to it once it is dead. dead is dead, and waste is shameful.

When an animal has died off of natural causes, (and said natural cause being safe for human consumption) then i'm all for chopping the carcass, but....
Many farm animals live in squalor, and many die not so stellar deaths either. People may complain that not having butchery isn't (realistic) enough, but considering the tone of the game I think it is fine. I mean, this is a very cute fantasy farming sim, and if one plays games to escape real life, a part of me likes to think that most animals live a cruelty free life and are just used for milk/eggs/whatever, and not chopped up for food in these such games.
(Said by someone who is far from actually being a vegi, and does like their meat)
I'd rather have updates to add more to the amount of things you can do that doesn't involve farming, and is actually profitable. I'm all for farming being the main focus, but wouldn't it be cool if you could be a fully fledged monster slayer? What about a monster tamer? Becoming a witch/wizard/something magical? Spells and what have you.

[Sweet Tea]

I think its a bit unfair to tell the truth. If you don't want to butcher your animals then don't. Make it where its still an option for other players. And yeah the things villagers talk to you about aren't exactly fitting with the tone either. But that's what makes it more interesting though.

[Edge]

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They eat fish, eggs and all kind of other stuff. Seriously "everyone loves animals" is nothing but some weird excuse the dev came up to justify the change. [/quote]

/agreed.

[Monado]

Coming from someone who only eats meat, when I or a family member personally kills the animal....

There were probably more ignorant meat eaters who were upset about butchering then those annoying vegans.

The majority percent of the country that cowardly toward their back towards having to kill an animal, but are quick to go eat a cheeseburger. Thats the group that would raise a stink with the process being involved in a game.

[Monochrome]

Wow that kinda sucks. If you don't agree with butching animals, then DON'T DO IT IN THE GAME. It's that simple.

[KaosReigns]

Monochrome eredeti hozzászólása:

Wow that kinda sucks. If you don't agree with butching animals, then DON'T DO IT IN THE GAME. It's that simple.

Umm, actually, its more of a "Dont freaking eat them then". Why limit their whining to just the game?

[DonTheDon]

James eredeti hozzászólása:

Nobody seems to have a problem with raising and murdering plants...

I love you

[Alexandra Lorular]

People have said you can mod it back in... How?

[Meebs]

Generic Charade eredeti hozzászólása:

When an animal has died off of natural causes, (and said natural cause being safe for human consumption) then i'm all for chopping the carcass, but....
Many farm animals live in squalor, and many die not so stellar deaths either. People may complain that not having butchery isn't (realistic) enough, but considering the tone of the game I think it is fine. I mean, this is a very cute fantasy farming sim, and if one plays games to escape real life, a part of me likes to think that most animals live a cruelty free life and are just used for milk/eggs/whatever, and not chopped up for food in these such games.
(Said by someone who is far from actually being a vegi, and does like their meat)
I'd rather have updates to add more to the amount of things you can do that doesn't involve farming, and is actually profitable. I'm all for farming being the main focus, but wouldn't it be cool if you could be a fully fledged monster slayer? What about a monster tamer? Becoming a witch/wizard/something magical? Spells and what have you.

so basically you want this game to be more like rune factory.

i agree that IRL both farming and slaughter methods can sometimes leave much to be desired but that doesnt mean it has to be that way in the game.
i think it is wrong to use children, innocence or a desire for lack of graphicness as an excuse for not having butchering. Do not lie to kids about what meat is. There is a difference between graphicness and truth. Its true to say, bacon is the meat of a pig. Its informative if a little advanced to say the pig is killed, skinned, cut into portions, cured and packaged. Its graphic to say that the pig will be forcibly restrained while killed, will probably continue to twitch once dead, that when it gets skinned there will be blood everywhere and the skin may not even be removed, that the meat will be hacked off using a big knife and a strong arm, that bones will be broken to make the carcass easier to chop up.(probably the worse graphic description ever because im not a bloodthirsty person but spoiler tags anyway for the delicates)

the game already has a hog spit roast at the summer event (linus tends it and even explains the best way to get an even roast, maru comments on how good it smells and that she cant wait to have some)

dont get me wrong, i love the game, i dont have a massive issue with the lack of butchery and frankly though i'd love new content i couldn't care less either way.
but to argue that it wouldnt fit the game or tone is rubbish (IMO) when a little goodbye animation is cute enough and the actual gore doesn't even need to be mentioned (select option, play goodbye, products appear and the animal is gone).

i think it bothers me more to find out that it was a feature that got removed for bad reasons. untill today i noticed that it wasnt there but hadnt expected it to be either. i was dissapointed with the reproduction but i remember the faff of the more realistic reproduction of one of the older harvest moons, thats why they switched to the 'magic' animals.
I never really bother with animals in these style games apart from for completionist reasons. theres usually little profit for the effort involved and the dishonesty of the mechanics always bugs me alittle.
the general hypocrisary bugs me too, noone EVER moans about the death of all those poor innocent fish, minding their own business, living wild and free and then we stick a metal hook in their face, pick them up by it then brain them. fish that have evolved and grown without any knowledge of our existance. not like your classic 'livestock' which are only around because we basically made them. yet because fish are less loveable no-one cares. (which someone will now both argue that the fish live wild and free and therefore are happy so eating them makes them feel less bad but would also be strongly opposed if a hunting element was added to the game so we could hunt and eat deer and boar)

sorry for the rant.
these are my opinions, everyone is entitled to their own.