Butchering removed because vegans were offended?

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why is this allowed?

[Leafshade]

Първоначално публикувано от Bouncer:

Really? Because there's monsters to kill you should be able to off your livestock too?

Zelda has both evil sentient pig people and friendly normal pigs. The enemies disappear in puffs of smoke upon defeat. The normal pigs you can't attack to harvest bacon from.
Yet appereantly it should totally have been possible to do so with no problems, because defeating enemies is the same as slaughtering a friendly animal? Really?

I would not mind having meat in this game, but I do not really see a way to add this properly. Normal butchering? No diary farmer outright kills their own livestock when they still produce, this is a stupid, grim and unrealistic option.
Only harvesting an animal when it dies of age then? I guess you can have an animal croak after a few years and then harvest their organs, but animals dieing of age would be super annoying, the meat gain would be far too infrequent meaning every burger is sacred and you'd force people who wouldn't want butchering in it too.
Magic? Geesh, that'd be an even cheaper way out than what we got now. Shall we also use magic to conjure lifeless objects that look and taste like fish, send away enemies to happy dimensions and ask trees and crops to share their goods? This is the most hippie suggestion I've seen.
Pierre/Joja selling it? Now aside from it being really annoying to depend on the store for recipes to work, this is certanly a fair option. Though that won't satisfy the bloodlust of people who want to be able to outright murder their own livestock because they fail to see the difference between regular enemies that go poof upon death, portraits of fish and pets that love you.
Adding cattle whose only purpose is for slaughter? It wouldn't fit Marnie to sell that and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that is seriously dark. Darker than incinerating slimes in Slime Rancher, beating up pinatas and feeding their candy to their kids in Viva Pinata and having animals die of illness in Harvest Moon.

All in all, I can't see it happen without there being some issue.

Slimes ARE a livestock in the game, therefore livestock and monster are not mutually exclusive, as you so implied.

Previously there were 2 types of pigs, a meat hog, and the truffle pig, which is now the only pig, that solves the "dairy farmers don't just kill producing livestock" issue, so don't even bother spouting the "It wouldn't fit Marnie to sell that", everyone in town except penny loves severed rabbits feet too, which was clearly a butchering item that became a harvestable one because it makes ZERO sense as is.

Once again, slimes don't go "poof" they splatter into piles of goop that once made up their bodies, which we harvest.
If that wasn't bad enough, shadow people are flat out sentient humanoids protecting their territory, animals are a step DOWN from that.
Murdering the indigenous is not morally superior to butchering livestock.

[dman_dustin]

Първоначално публикувано от kimchiban:

No he said in an interview that he didn't want buthering to be in the game because that'll ruin the whole naming your animals and petting them. Because then whats the point to loving your animals if you're just gonna kill them right away to sell their meat?

I sell my ducklings the moment I name them, which I now find is better to just leave its default chosen name, so I don't know.

Again there are ways around this. It doesn't need to be personal.

[Klingenmeister]

Първоначално публикувано от Bouncer:

Really? Because there's monsters to kill you should be able to off your livestock too?

Zelda has both evil sentient pig people and friendly normal pigs. The enemies disappear in puffs of smoke upon defeat. The normal pigs you can't attack to harvest bacon from.
Yet appereantly it should totally have been possible to do so with no problems, because defeating enemies is the same as slaughtering a friendly animal? Really?

Do I have to repeat me every time?...

The slimes, the bats, the insects, the whatever the rest is, are animals (the spirits, ghosts and other stuff are not, of course). You go into their territory. You harvest them for fish bait, slime, bat wings and coal.
Whats the difference between that and slaughtering a pig?

When you get deeper into the mines, you will encounter shadow people (like the friendly one in the sewers). They attack you. Why? Because you are trespasing and armed and dangerous. Actually the mines are pretty sad. You go in there and start slaughtering some tribal natives, because they dont look nice.

Thats actually pretty sick. (like I said, this game has a pretty dark tone, even the maker doesnt recognize)

[Hundkerchief]

Първоначално публикувано от Klingenmeister:

When you get deeper into the mines, you will encounter shadow people (like the friendly one in the sewers). They attack you. Why? Because you are trespasing and armed and dangerous. Actually the mines are pretty sad. You go in there and start slaughtering some tribal natives, because they dont look nice.

Thats actually pretty sick. (like I said, this game has a pretty dark tone, even the maker doesnt recognize)

'tis true, Stardew Valley is so hardcore in the end. What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up game it is.

[Holo]

Butchering would be easy to implement without it being a big deal. You have a shop in town (a butcher's shop) where you "sell" your selected animal and in return you get the products such as meat. This happens in real life too. you pay a butcher to slaughter an animal, you ask for certain cuts, and receive the products in neat little packages.

Most people are not saying there should be a bloody gorey slaughter house fit into the game. You just go to the butchers, select the animal, and put the animal products into your inventory.

[dman_dustin]

Първоначално публикувано от Holo the wise wolf:

Butchering would be easy to implement without it being a big deal. You have a shop in town (a butcher's shop) where you "sell" your selected animal and in return you get the products such as meat. This happens in real life too. you pay a butcher to slaughter an animal, you ask for certain cuts, and receive the products in neat little packages.

Most people are not saying there should be a bloody gorey slaughter house fit into the game. You just go to the butchers, select the animal, and put the animal products into your inventory.

Honestly I would rather there just to be an automated processing "plant" that you can place on the farm.

Not that I wouldn't mind a butcher like NPC, where maybe he can sell rare and exotic meat for unique recipies, but I'd rather not have to travel to town just to sell an animal and get meat out of it.

I mean if there has to be an actual person that needs to process the animal, because magic meat or an automated machine doesn't work for the developer then maybe, but I'd rather there not be a butcher outside of selling rare exotic meat or buying your own meat products, like how Clint buys your minerals and Pierre buys your crops.

[A Temu Vape]

What I learned from this thread:
Side One:
"Erhhmahgurd censorship ♥♥♥ dem vegans i aint a kid lemme 420noscope a cow in da head boi ill do it no balls - NO BALLS"

Side Two:
"B-BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN! YOU'RE AN ANIMAL IF YOU SLAUGHTER THOSE POOR DEFENCELESS ANIMALS! IT DOESN'T FIT THIS CUTE GAME!"

For real though, it makes no sense to take it out. It's a part of farming, I used to work on a farm that would occasionally slaughter their cows and sell it to locals. That ♥♥♥♥ isn't as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

As for the whole "it wouldn't make sense to name your animal, pet it and love it, and then slaughter it" argument... That's pretty much part of the farming job.
Besides, this game talks about ♥♥♥♥ war atrocities, hints of possible domestic abuse, and even violence *cough*lookingatyouleah*cough*.

To say it "doesn't fit" the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ since you can go 120 levels into a mine and slaughter everything with swords, bombs, and slingshots...
Yeah, the majority of the game is cute but when you look at the dialogue and events, that ♥♥♥♥ isn't as cute as you think.

...but either way the sun will still rise tomorrow so who gives a ♥♥♥♥.

[Leafshade]

Първоначално публикувано от †‡† WH173_N▲153:

...but either way the sun will still rise tomorrow so who gives a ♥♥♥♥.

You can't prove that!

[dman_dustin]

Първоначално публикувано от Leafshade:

Първоначално публикувано от †‡† WH173_N▲153:

...but either way the sun will still rise tomorrow so who gives a ♥♥♥♥.

You can't prove that!

Introducing the alternative Stardew Valley Story, when you butcher animals, there's a small chance that there will no longer sunlight, this is bad because monsters come out and you have to fight them off all the time. If you die, you have to completely restart the game.

Stardew Valley: Survival Mode! You Shouldn't Have Killed Bessie the Cow! Achievement Unlocked.

[Hexprone]

Why should this be realistic when milk production isn't?

Cows produce milk only for a period after the birth of a calf -- for a cow to be used as a dairy animal, she has to be bred every year.

And obviously breeding isn't super-realistic here either! I don't see the point of freaking out about one specific thing when the whole game is just intended as a fantasy.

[Petrothian]

/well, considering this is the spiritual follow up on harvest moon.

it would just be weird if you been a harvest moon fan (pretty sure the dev is one).


but yes, there will be mods. no worries.

[Holo]

Първоначално публикувано от †‡† WH173_N▲153:

What I learned from this thread:
Side One:
"Erhhmahgurd censorship ♥♥♥ dem vegans i aint a kid lemme 420noscope a cow in da head boi ill do it no balls - NO BALLS"

Side Two:
"B-BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN! YOU'RE AN ANIMAL IF YOU SLAUGHTER THOSE POOR DEFENCELESS ANIMALS! IT DOESN'T FIT THIS CUTE GAME!"

For real though, it makes no sense to take it out. It's a part of farming, I used to work on a farm that would occasionally slaughter their cows and sell it to locals. That ♥♥♥♥ isn't as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

As for the whole "it wouldn't make sense to name your animal, pet it and love it, and then slaughter it" argument... That's pretty much part of the farming job.
Besides, this game talks about ♥♥♥♥ war atrocities, hints of possible domestic abuse, and even violence *cough*lookingatyouleah*cough*.

To say it "doesn't fit" the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ since you can go 120 levels into a mine and slaughter everything with swords, bombs, and slingshots...
Yeah, the majority of the game is cute but when you look at the dialogue and events, that ♥♥♥♥ isn't as cute as you think.

...but either way the sun will still rise tomorrow so who gives a ♥♥♥♥.

+1

[Klingenmeister]

Първоначално публикувано от dman_dustin:

Първоначално публикувано от Leafshade:

You can't prove that!

Introducing the alternative Stardew Valley Story, when you butcher animals, there's a small chance that there will no longer sunlight, this is bad because monsters come out and you have to fight them off all the time. If you die, you have to completely restart the game.

Stardew Valley: Survival Mode! You Shouldn't Have Killed Bessie the Cow! Achievement Unlocked.

This
sounds
awesome!

[Steve]

Първоначално публикувано от TParis:

That's just the way it is. Make Butcher mod if you feel like it.

Really? my god thats so pathetic. shame the devs are so limp wristed. :(

[Bouncer]

Първоначално публикувано от Klingenmeister:

Първоначално публикувано от Bouncer:

Really? Because there's monsters to kill you should be able to off your livestock too?

Zelda has both evil sentient pig people and friendly normal pigs. The enemies disappear in puffs of smoke upon defeat. The normal pigs you can't attack to harvest bacon from.
Yet appereantly it should totally have been possible to do so with no problems, because defeating enemies is the same as slaughtering a friendly animal? Really?

Do I have to repeat me every time?...

The slimes, the bats, the insects, the whatever the rest is, are animals (the spirits, ghosts and other stuff are not, of course). You go into their territory. You harvest them for fish bait, slime, bat wings and coal.
Whats the difference between that and slaughtering a pig?

When you get deeper into the mines, you will encounter shadow people (like the friendly one in the sewers). They attack you. Why? Because you are trespasing and armed and dangerous. Actually the mines are pretty sad. You go in there and start slaughtering some tribal natives, because they dont look nice.

Thats actually pretty sick. (like I said, this game has a pretty dark tone, even the maker doesnt recognize)

I haven't met the Shadow People yet, but you make it sound like they only attack when you attack them. Thus far everything I killed in the mines was a dangerous creature that attacked on sight. if the shadow people do the same despite appereantly having humanlike intellect, then they are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who attack on sight. Only an evil people would kill someone just for trespassing.

Attacking clearly hostile entities out of self defense is not the same as slaughtering a healthy pet who loves you for personal profit.