Makeing wine vs jelly?

[Ryu]

what is better for profit?

This si how i see it but feel free to tell me if i'm wrong

low price fruits trun into jelly this is do to the fact the selling point is 50gx2 the base price

or that is what i heard.

Make high selling fruits into wine this is do to the fact the 50g will not do much for the fruit makeing the 3 times sell value worth it :)

However i'm not sure if the time driffence is worth it if i'm right jelly takes 4 days and wine take 6 so is it still worth it to make wine?

[Mackenzie]

It depends how many kegs or preserves you have. If you have enough kegs, and can keep up with your production for all your crops, you will make more money selling wine in the end.

[PhilkIced]

Those 2 extra days won't make much difference since most of the plants and fruits worth making wine and jelly have a growth time above the 6 of the keg, the regrowing plants that would benefit from this extra 2 days are also the low value ones that would benefit more from the 50g, so in the end jelly is for fast cheap plants and wine is for slow expensive plants imo.

[Invalidlinks]

my tip is veges is preserved and fruits are to be in the kegs.

[Saint Landwalker]

Originalmente postado por PhilkIced:

Those 2 extra days won't make much difference since most of the plants and fruits worth making wine and jelly have a growth time above the 6 of the keg, the regrowing plants that would benefit from this extra 2 days are also the low value ones that would benefit more from the 50g, so in the end jelly is for fast cheap plants and wine is for slow expensive plants imo.

This is mathematically true, as well. Not counting tree fruit, from a profit-per-day perspective almost all crops are better off going into Preserves Jars than Kegs. The exceptions are:

• Rhubarb
  
• Melons
  
• Starfruit
  
• Ancient Fruit
  
• Pumpkins

(Edit: Oh, and Hops and Wheat, obviously.)

[Ryu]

Thanks everyone.

[josseriot]

I mix it up, so I have faster-produced goods I can turn in while I wait on the longer ones. Blueberries, cranberries, peppers, tomatoes, corn and grapes, plus salmonberries and blackberries, all produce so much in a season--and that's not counting the cheaper, fast growing crops like garlic, parsnips, wheat, etc--that I can easily have an abundance of things to preserve/brew, so no keg or jar is ever idle. I do ok, although i'm not trying to make a ton of gold fast. On days I turn in a lot of goods, I can make anywhere between 8k and 20k gold.

I know some people prefer to just grow higher value crops, but I find that if you mix up your crops based on their growth rates, and thus mix up the preserves and brews you are making, you can have a fairly steady flow of gold from your produce all season without needing to supplement with fishing and mining.

[OriginalGrubby]

It's a simple bit of math. Cost per unit divided by time to make. Example if you can sell a bottle fo win for 50 gold and it takes 4 days to make, that's 12.5G per day. If you can sell Jelly for 50 gold and it takes 6 days to make, that's only 8.3G per day. Take it a step further and add in the number of days it takes to make the produce to turn into either a jelly/preserve or a wine and divide the unit cost by the number of days. Divide that number by the number of days in the month and you'll get how much you can make in one month with either.

[Saluki]

The only two things that make more money PER DAY going into a keg are wheat and hops. EVERYTHING else earns more money per day by being pickled or jellied. Note that these figures include a 50% artisan bonus.

Crop [per day pickle/jelly] [per day wine/juice/beer/ale]


Pumpkin 259 180
Red Cab 214 146
Rhubarb 184 124
Caulif 150 98
Artichoke 139 90
Yam 139 90
Amar 131 84
Kale 101 62
Beet 94 56
Radish 86 51
Potato 79 45
Bok Choy 79 45
Garlic 64 34
Egg Pl 64 34
Corn 56 28
G Bean 49 23
Pepper 49 23
Parsnip 45 20


Starfruit 619 360
Ancient 581 338
Melon 206 113
Crystal 131 68
Cranb 116 59
Straw 109 54
Blue 79 36
Grape 79 36


Wheat 38 89
Hops 38 127

[Kurzidan]

Wine - Price 3x the fruit's non-quality base value. Takes 6 days
Juice - Price 2.25x the Veggie's non-quality base value. Takes 4 days
the exception to these is wheat and hops take 1 day to become Beer or Pale Ale

The Preservers Jar is half that time, and is 2x + 50 -> Salmonberry is 5, 5x2 is 10, + 50 is 60, Salmonberry Jelly is 60, +30 for Artisan Goods being 50% more worth.
Parsnip Pickles is is 120 (+60 for artisan goods)

Salmonberry wine is only 15 and takes 6 days. (yea.. no.)
Parsnip Juice is only 79 and takes 4 days (+50% is roughly 118 or so)
Ancient Fruit Wine is 3375 with Artisan Goods being worth 50% more (2250 otherwise) 6 days
Ancient Fruit Jelly is 2325 with Artisan Goods being worth 50% more (1550 otherwise) 2 days (approx) (this takes 4000minutes (wiki)) (4000 minutes should actually equate to about 2.7days)

Ancient Fruit is 750 base. 10% more worth for crops if chosen is 825 (must be chosen for Artisan goods worth)
Gold Quality Ancient fruit is already worth 1125 (1237.5 with 10%) (or should be, I don't pay any attention really)

[PhilkIced]

Originalmente postado por Saluki:

The only two things that make more money PER DAY going into a keg are wheat and hops. EVERYTHING else earns more money per day by being pickled or jellied. Note that these figures include a 50% artisan bonus.

You are not considering the growth time of the plants, which is all this thread is about, a lot of plants on your list won't grow in the 4 days of the jelly, some of them won't even take the 6 days of the keg to grow, so they're actually better to make wine from instead of jelly.

[Stevebat]

I think what we can learn from this thread is that nothing beats artisan for farming professions..

[Saluki]

This thread is about the growth time of plants?

The growth time of the plant is irrelevant. Why? Because I can plant as many of them as I want. Starfruit takes 13 days to grow? ok Ill plant 100. that will keep my 10 jelly makers busy for 40 days during which time I can harvest three more 100 starfruit harvests. Which will then keep me in business for another 120 days, during which time ....

[PhilkIced]

Originalmente postado por Saluki:

This thread is about the growth time of plants?

The growth time of the plant is irrelevant. Why? Because I can plant as many of them as I want. Starfruit takes 13 days to grow? ok Ill plant 100. that will keep my 10 jelly makers busy for 40 days during which time I can harvest three more 100 starfruit harvests. Which will then keep me in business for another 120 days, during which time ....

It's about the time factor when dealing with wine and jelly.
Yes, if you have 10 jelly makers 100 starfruits will keep then filled for a long time, now why would you only have 10 jelly makers if you're making 100 starfruits is beyond me. If you want to talk abou an optimized farm, which we have to do when we're trying to prove one of the two is better, you should be making stuff at the same scale and speed you're using stuff, otherwise you're wasting time with it stuffed in a chest or on your inventory.

[Saint Landwalker]

It ultimately depends on which side of the process is the rate limiter in your particular situation.

If the limiting factor is how many "refining implements" you have, then the growth time of a crop doesn't matter. In this case, it's almost always more beneficial to focus on preserves jars (except for Hops and Wheat). If you go to bed at midnight every night, preserves jars take about 2.4 days for 50+2x revenue. In 4.8 days, then, you'll have 100+4x revenue. Since kegs will take roughly 6 days for, at most, 3x revenue, you will always make more by dumping your crops into the preserves jars.

If your crops are the limiting factor, though, then growth time matters, and a handful of crops become better suited to kegs than jars. As an alternative view, with limited crops, you'll often want to focus on revenue per crop input (advantage kegs) rather than revenue per day (advantage jars).

[Mackenzie]

Also need to factor in harvest economics.

-You will yield x amount of crops this harvest. This figure is assumed static.
-x turned into wine will be (x * 3)
-x turned into juice will be (x * 2.25)
-x turned into jelly or pickles will be (x * 2) + 50

Let's say universal crop is worth 300g.

-That's 900g for 1 crop made into wine.
-That's 675g for 1 crop made into juice.
-That's 650g for 1 crop made into jelly or pickles.

Regardless of how quickly you can get a return from it by using faster processing, assuming you have the patience to wait the 6 days and number of kegs necessary to process all of your crops you will be gaining more gold from kegs than other means for the same amount of crops invested.

Simply put: More crops? Moar Kegs.