JOJA OR NOT?

[Racc00n]

I dont want to pay the Joja contract, but if I dont pay it and rebuild the Center, I would be able to go to the spa and use the things that Joja wanted to give me? TuT

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by AfRu:

Not.
Don't help evil corporates force push joja colas, merchandise and other woke stuff down your throat.
Fight evil corporates.
Don't cut them any slack.
Restore that community center and prove them they aren't untouchable.
Watch them sweat blood.

as you live in a world created by companies and corporations, their goal is make profit they aren't evil they are indifferent and non personal while pierres is very personal and a douche, never seen jojamart take credit for the players work or waste the towns money on a GOLDEN statue of morris

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Ensign:

Off topic but i gotta chime in, joja isnt evil.

Mabey its been patched since i last played. When the game came out i played the joja route. They arent evil.

With my money i got to pay joja to hire workers to repair bridges, the mine carts, everything in town.

The residents of the valley were perfectly content to leave everything old and dilapidated. The mayor sighed that no one cares about the Community center but he certainly could have organized a day to do something about it. Instead of leaving it to us and some magical fairies.

Joja fixed everything, revitalized the town, stimulated the local economy, created jobs, gave the lower income and single mothers of the valley a cheaper place to shop, and would put the town on the map as residents from local villages and towns come to shop, mabey even visiting the local and dying clinic who hasnt enough clients to keep the doors open not to mention the bar.

Working as some desk slave for joja sure is a terrible soul crushing dead end job but lots of places like that exist and that doesnt make those companies evil. Im sure working as a maintenance man in sewers is awful but someone has to do it. Doesnt make city services evil.

exactly joja brings jobs, business and infrastructure into stardew valley and actually gets things done and doesn't waste resources or try to scam its customers, pierres admits to marking things up by 10x and mayor lewis is a incompetent fool who has wasted the towns resources on a statue of himself and has failed to maintain the community centre and has failed to keep bridges and infrastructure maintained, i get people don't like companies and corporations but they aren't evil and just want to make business and profit

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Рlαγζr 🐵:

But Jojamart is the evil ending.

Not like the CC route is that much better, though. By taking the CC route, you eventually drive JojaMart out of business leaving Pierre with a complete monopoly on the market in town meaning everyone has to buy their products from him. At least taking the Joja route leaves a direct competitor in the market so Pierre can't just be as greedy as he wants.

exactly and in the cc ending pierres is the one who was starting the fight and trying to make it physical, morris just was doing business and doing whats best for the company to make a profit and yet he is the bad guy while pierres who is 100% malicious and aggressive and personal and not professional is the good guy?

[Playzr 🐵]

• They require a membership which is too expensive.
  
• They don't add anything to the town other than the shop.
  
• The player is the one improving the town.
  
• They only care about making money and not gifting nice requested items to benefit the entire town.
  
• You worked there for years, being exploited and had to leave to become a farmer.
  
• Morris and his cronies are never seen again.
  
• The staff working there are unhappy.
  
• The cola is said to erode the stomach lining.
  
• A lot of their junk ends up in the river and ocean.
  
• The entire town is grateful for restoring the community center.
  
• They are obviously portrayed as the oppressive corporation ripping people off, even if the game doesn't really punish you for not realising this.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Рlαγζr 🐵:

• They require a membership which is too expensive.
  
• They don't add anything to the town other than the shop.
  
• The player is the one improving the town.
  
• They only care about making money and not gifting nice requested items to benefit the entire town.
  
• You worked there for years, being exploited and had to leave to become a farmer.
  
• Morris and his cronies are never seen again.
  
• The staff working there are unhappy.
  
• The cola is said to erode the stomach lining.
  
• A lot of their junk ends up in the river and ocean.
  
• The entire town is grateful for restoring the community center.
  
• They are obviously portrayed as the oppressive corporation ripping people off, even if the game doesn't really punish you for not realising this.

5k isn't expensive

they help with all the projects you just pay the gold

they are a company not a charity they are just making money that isn't evil

you worked a normal job at a normal company, you weren't be exploited and you didn't have to leave you choose to leave and go to a farm.

ok? not sure the point of that and by cronies you mean employees?

because the staff is unhappy that automatically makes the company evil? its literally just a normal job the fact they are unhappy isn't the fault of the company but rather the fault of the workers doing some thing they don't enjoy purely for a paycheck, don't sign up for the job if you don't like working a normal job.

the entire town that was so grateful they let the community centre get overgrown and destroyed and wouldve done nothing if not for some random dude?

how are they the ones ripping people off? They provide a service and are a supermarket, pierre is the one ripping people off he admitted to making prices 10x and ripping people off and they are just a normal company trying to make a rural town more modern and centralized and make its economy and infrastructure better.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

how are they the ones ripping people off? They provide a service and are a supermarket, pierre is the one ripping people off he admitted to making prices 10x and ripping people off and they are just a normal company trying to make a rural town more modern and centralized and make its economy and infrastructure better.

A certain cutscene where a joja employee goes infront of and eventually into the business/home of a community member to actively poach customers out of that store comes to mind as I read this, along with the aggressive pricing scheme that local businesses can't compete with. I'm sure theres nothing going on there that parodies sleezy real life events that wal mart was known for doing, specifically to run competitors out of business. Its also very dangerous for a community to become so monopolized by a single large corporation (as opposed to several individual businesses holding smaller monopolies) that can one day decide to pull the plug on that location and completely devestate a town. That probably hasn't happened in real life leading to entire towns shutting down, right? I'm not saying joja or its employees are necessarily evil, but yes joja as a whole is absolutely the 'evil wal mart' of SV. Plus I'm tired of fishing up their junk from every body of water.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

how are they the ones ripping people off? They provide a service and are a supermarket, pierre is the one ripping people off he admitted to making prices 10x and ripping people off and they are just a normal company trying to make a rural town more modern and centralized and make its economy and infrastructure better.

A certain cutscene where a joja employee goes infront of and eventually into the business/home of a community member to actively poach customers out of that store comes to mind as I read this, along with the aggressive pricing scheme that local businesses can't compete with. I'm sure theres nothing going on there that parodies sleezy real life events that wal mart was known for doing, specifically to run competitors out of business. Its also very dangerous for a community to become so monopolized by a single large corporation (as opposed to several individual businesses holding smaller monopolies) that can one day decide to pull the plug on that location and completely devestate a town. That probably hasn't happened in real life leading to entire towns shutting down, right? I'm not saying joja or its employees are necessarily evil, but yes joja as a whole is absolutely the 'evil wal mart' of SV. Plus I'm tired of fishing up their junk from every body of water.

you forget to mention this is pierres home who is a direct competitor and enemy of joja, its not evil nor illegal to announce you are making a sale at your store and they should come there instead, they are just better at business and its on pierre to compete, thus is the free market and lets not forget that pierre is a far far worse person then morris, so why go and help pierrre and not just cooperate with joja rather then help a actually bad human and let them assualt another person and in the other ending joja goes out of business and pierre gets a monoply while in the joja ending pierre is still open and there is no monoply and tell me who are these other businesses that sell general goods? its just pierre who is even more scummy then joja, joja made the town not a monoply if any thing

[Playzr 🐵]

Preferring Joja seems to be more about having made the Joja choice when playing for the first time and justifying that choice rather than fairly comparing the two later.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Рlαγζr 🐵:

Preferring Joja seems to be more about having made the Joja choice when playing for the first time and justifying that choice rather than fairly comparing the two later.

nah i just prefer joja and making money

[iLovePie_42]

It's beyond me how people defend huge corporates (or the idea of their existance) that has been slowly and successfully turning the world's economy into capitalist monopolies since second half of 20th century. They try to force a capitalist order in the entire world, some of them holding whole countries inside their claws, causing fake "inflation"s by creating wars between countries, raising their prices for even more profit.

It's the same in this game: Joja is a multibillion corp, doesn't even actually help people out from their pocket. Therefore, I still defend my point.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

-snip-

Morris throws the first punch in that fight. ;)
Joja-mart is a parody of wal-mart. We have history to look at. Its actually a pretty good read if you're into that stuff. Much recommend. You have to remember we're only seeing a small slice of the whole town when we play.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

-snip-

Morris throws the first punch in that fight. ;)
Joja-mart is a parody of wal-mart. We have history to look at. Its actually a pretty good read if you're into that stuff. Much recommend. You have to remember we're only seeing a small slice of the whole town when we play.

yeah morris throws the first punch but pierre was literally trying to fight him and goading him into a fight, don't act like pierre wasn't being the violent and aggressive one, but keep taking the context out of it, morris didn't want to fight but pierre kept trying to fight him and kept insulting himand jojamart

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Morris throws the first punch in that fight. ;)
Joja-mart is a parody of wal-mart. We have history to look at. Its actually a pretty good read if you're into that stuff. Much recommend. You have to remember we're only seeing a small slice of the whole town when we play.

yeah morris throws the first punch but pierre was literally trying to fight him and goading him into a fight, don't act like pierre wasn't being the violent and aggressive one, but keep taking the context out of it, morris didn't want to fight but pierre kept trying to fight him and kept insulting himand jojamart

You offhandedly mentioned the fight by saying pierre assaulted someone. That is out of context and untrue. The context of that simple sentence that I wrote was provided by your out-of-context statement. I was reminding you that there was more to that fight, without a full paragraph. You're also misrepresenting the fight scene here. Sure, morris didn't want to fight at first, but he also threatened pierre's business and baited him back. They are both portrayed as a mixed bag of good and bad throughout the game.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Originally posted by Sextus Pompeius Magnus:

yeah morris throws the first punch but pierre was literally trying to fight him and goading him into a fight, don't act like pierre wasn't being the violent and aggressive one, but keep taking the context out of it, morris didn't want to fight but pierre kept trying to fight him and kept insulting himand jojamart

You offhandedly mentioned the fight by saying pierre assaulted someone. That is out of context and untrue. The context of that simple sentence that I wrote was provided by your out-of-context statement. I was reminding you that there was more to that fight, without a full paragraph. You're also misrepresenting the fight scene here. Sure, morris didn't want to fight at first, but he also threatened pierre's business and baited him back. They are both portrayed as a mixed bag of good and bad throughout the game.

morris wasn't baiting pierre into a fight he was just doing what a competitor does and try to out business the other business and pierre turned it into a physical thing rather then just two businesses fighting for a monoply of the town, im not saying joja is perfect im just saying they aren't the evil option and the community center isn't the good option they are both in the grey because both sides do good and do bad.

[Emperor Zero]

Originally posted by AfRu:

It's beyond me how people defend huge corporates (or the idea of their existance) that has been slowly and successfully turning the world's economy into capitalist monopolies since second half of 20th century. They try to force a capitalist order in the entire world, some of them holding whole countries inside their claws, causing fake "inflation"s by creating wars between countries, raising their prices for even more profit.

It's the same in this game: Joja is a multibillion corp, doesn't even actually help people out from their pocket. Therefore, I still defend my point.

your point is illogical and you wouldn't even be able to post here if it wasn't for a capitalist monoply which is so ironic