I think I like the joja route ..... better

[Auburn_TheGaymer]

So I decided to finally endeavor into the joja route. It actually isn't evil at all. It was kind of endearing. Morris and all of Joja at least the construction worker's were all there to greet me and he even actually shed a tear. Did Lewis even have a welcome wagon for me? Nope. Morris isn't all bad in my books.

[Snowy Sprout]

I've always said I like Joja route better!
There are many reasons it's better for the community too. You just don't have the trouble of doing the community bundles, or getting those rewards. But everything else is better and easier in my book.

[galacticcorgi]

I mean, Joja is Wal-Mart and I'd hardly say Wal-Mart encourages good things for communities.

[Snowy Sprout]

In real life I agree.

In this game, keeping Joja means Pierre has a competitor, which he has shown that without competition his only goal is to get rich and he's willing to overcharge for his produce if he thinks he could get away with it. Pam and Jodi prefer to shop at Joja, and without it they lose their choices.

Sam and Shane both work at Joja, and without it they lose their jobs.

If you keep Joja, then there is a store open until 11pm that you can buy seeds at, 7 days a week.

With the Joja route, Clint does not begin taking Fridays off every week to go stare at a boiler.

The soda machine gives you one free soda every day, worth 25g or giftable to Sam. The trophy gives you nothing.

The Movie Theater looks really great in the center of the park, and has wonderful uses, compared to the Community Center which has no uses at all except to give villagers somewhere new to have to look for them.

With Joja Route you can speed much faster through the game. I can get a greenhouse halfway through the first spring, and get everbearing strawberries going! And once you open the desert you can plant starfruit and beets and cactus immediately.

There's really no downside. Nobody loses anything. Folks grumble a little but otherwise it's all just good.

[ChrillBill]

Aside from the tired skelly sitting behind the desk in the intro there is nothing inherently evil about Joja. It is essentially a business that is trying to expand itself. They are in a way trying to drive Pierre out of business but I wouldn't call that evil. It's common, greedy and morally dubious I guess. But so is Pierre. He is no better than Morris when it comes to greedyness.

But from the farmers perspective, they are leaving Joja and the modern life behind to go live on a farm and reconnect with nature. I guess this is why many view Joja as evil because in a way they become an intruder which you bascially left behind in the opening of the game. But it's not like Joja are destroying and completely taking over the valley. The farmer still get to experience a completely different life and very much connect with nature.

So at the end of the day, it really boils down to which route you prefer. Joja route is a bit faster and obviously meant for players that are familiar with the game. It is less goal oriented compared to the Community Center route.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Snowy Sprout:

In real life I agree.

In this game, keeping Joja means Pierre has a competitor, which he has shown that without competition his only goal is to get rich and he's willing to overcharge for his produce if he thinks he could get away with it. Pam and Jodi prefer to shop at Joja, and without it they lose their choices.

Sam and Shane both work at Joja, and without it they lose their jobs.

If you keep Joja, then there is a store open until 11pm that you can buy seeds at, 7 days a week.

With the Joja route, Clint does not begin taking Fridays off every week to go stare at a boiler.

The soda machine gives you one free soda every day, worth 25g or giftable to Sam. The trophy gives you nothing.

The Movie Theater looks really great in the center of the park, and has wonderful uses, compared to the Community Center which has no uses at all except to give villagers somewhere new to have to look for them.

With Joja Route you can speed much faster through the game. I can get a greenhouse halfway through the first spring, and get everbearing strawberries going! And once you open the desert you can plant starfruit and beets and cactus immediately.

There's really no downside. Nobody loses anything. Folks grumble a little but otherwise it's all just good.

Shane is overworked, underpaid and miserable--and only gains happiness when working with chickens as his true calling, which he can't do at Joja. Morris LITERALLY STEALS FROM YOU IF YOU COLLAPSE.

The movie theater isn't route locked. The point of Community Center route is you're thinking of what the VALLEY needs, not what's most beneficial to you. Sam hates his job there and the workers are largely treated like how they are in real life. It's not very subtle that Morris doesn't care about the workers, just about the bottom line. (Unless you do SVE where he's written as less cartoonishly evil)

Originally posted by ChrillBill:

Aside from the tired skelly sitting behind the desk in the intro there is nothing inherently evil about Joja. It is essentially a business that is trying to expand itself. They are in a way trying to drive Pierre out of business but I wouldn't call that evil. It's common, greedy and morally dubious I guess. But so is Pierre. He is no better than Morris when it comes to greedyness.

But from the farmers perspective, they are leaving Joja and the modern life behind to go live on a farm and reconnect with nature. I guess this is why many view Joja as evil because in a way they become an intruder which you bascially left behind in the opening of the game. But it's not like Joja are destroying and completely taking over the valley. The farmer still get to experience a completely different life and very much connect with nature.

So at the end of the day, it really boils down to which route you prefer. Joja route is a bit faster and obviously meant for players that are familiar with the game. It is less goal oriented compared to the Community Center route. :brownchicken:

They view Joja as evil because Morris is trying to do what Wal-MArt does in real life: price local stores out and drive them out of business. Morris will literally come in and hand out 50% off coupons, which Pierre CAN'T AFFORD TO DO. But Joja can because they have a stranglehold on supplies otherwise, and have so much supply they can sell at enough of a loss to price him out. That's pretty evil! His LIVELIHOOD is that store, but him wanting to do more than scrape by is apparently greedy???

[Caelestus]

Hippies vs Realists.

[ChrillBill]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

They view Joja as evil because Morris is trying to do what Wal-MArt does in real life: price local stores out and drive them out of business. Morris will literally come in and hand out 50% off coupons, which Pierre CAN'T AFFORD TO DO. But Joja can because they have a stranglehold on supplies otherwise, and have so much supply they can sell at enough of a loss to price him out. That's pretty evil! His LIVELIHOOD is that store, but him wanting to do more than scrape by is apparently greedy???

Uhm, that's basically what I said except I don't see it as evil. That is what companies usually do when it comes to their competition despite it being greedy and like I said, morally dubious. You are missing the point with Pierre. I never said he was greedy because he wanted to make a living from his business. Everyone wants to be able to make a living from their business. But he is greedy and no better than Morris which becomes very obvious during his veggie quest posted on the big billboard. Even several of the npcs gets really upset at him and perhaps also (and rightfully) changes their view about him.

The main difference is that Pierre represent something more old fashioned, running a small family business in a small secluded town and then Joja, who represent something new and modern comes in and wants to set root. Morris has an entire company to back him up while Pierre only has his family and part of the town. Not everyone is against Joja, after all. Therefore it isn't strange that many feel more sorry for Pierre and perhaps also turns a blind eye on what should be obvious. Pierre isn't an honest person after all, which he proves during that particular quest. And no, I don't believe that was a whim from his side. It was a very calculated move where he saw an opportunity to earn some extra cash and he grabbed it without hesitation :p So in a way, the town has two Morrises. They just have different amount of "power" at their disposal

[Maya-Neko]

The Joja Route is definitely more convenient, but that's it. Just paying off everything with money is fast, but barely satisfying, given how easy that is to get compared to actually planning to get all the necessary stuff for the bundles. Also being able to just buy the Auto Petter is also nice for an animal focues playthrough.

Also there's no real benefit in having 2 competitors gameplaywise, as it doesn't affect prices at all, causing you to buy at the same place all the time anyway (in Vanilla i'm pretty much just going to Pierre, unless i want sunflowers and in expanded it's Joja Mart, until it eventually closes due to the community center getting closed).

In the end i usually do the CC Route just for the challenge, though i might try the Joja-Route in SDV Expanded at some point, given that it actually has some more story other than just building a warehouse on top of given more gameplay relevant bonuses.

[ChrillBill]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

In the end i usually do the CC Route just for the challenge, though i might try the Joja-Route in SDV Expanded at some point, given that it actually has some more story other than just building a warehouse on top of given more gameplay relevant bonuses.

I also do the Community Center route 9 out of 10 times because I am a sucker for them Junimos and their bundles :p And like you mention, it is a bit more challenging as well. I can really recommend given the Joja route a try with SVE. It's quite fun and doesn't feel very evil at all. I don't think vanilla feels evil either. But it's certainly less fun than the SVE edition :D

[Snowy Sprout]

I agree that Joja is much less complicated than the CC. And because you can blow through it faster it provides less game play in the sense of story or challenge. But because I am a challenge player all the time and am complicating my game with other issues to focus on, for me the game is interesting and difficult enough without adding that layer of complexity that the CC offers.

Many times the specific requirements of the Junimo bundles are extremely problematic for a challenge player to acquire, or even virtually impossible. Even if they are "possible" sometimes that definition involves a level of grinding that would utterly ruin the fun for me if I were forced to do it. So I feel very happy that I have a simpler choice, so that I can focus on the parts of the game that really feel interesting to me.

[galacticcorgi]

Again, Morris literally steals from you if you collapse unless you're playing SVE. You don't see what Joja is doing as evil (literally trying to drive a small local store out of business) just because you don't like Pierre. Yes, people in real life like Wal-Mart despite it treating its employees like trash in the gutter, not providing benefits if they can help it, etc. Meanwhile, Pierre's options realistically with Joja around is to eventually shut down and probably end up homeless or work at Joja for minimum wage... Which might still end up with him homeless because he'd be earning less than he will on a good local store that sells quality things. Corporations are not and never will be your friends, the second there's no competition they drive prices up out of reach of people like Pam and those who love it for how cheap it is. Literally all they like is that it has cheaper products. Shane works there, yeah, but it's making him ACTIVELY SUICIDAL with how poorly he's treated. Not everything shiny, modern and new is good.

Just admit you like the Evil Route because it's easier for you to do your challenges and you ignore the moral aspects in-game and try to reason them out so you don't feel bad.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Prosecutor Godot:

"I'm right and you're wrong, just admit that you're evil so I can go to bed feeling better for having beaten you"

"It's okay to drive people into poverty game-wise because it inspires non-existent competition."

[Snowy Sprout]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

Just admit you like the Evil Route because it's easier for you to do your challenges and you ignore the moral aspects in-game and try to reason them out so you don't feel bad.

Was this rant aimed at me?

Either way, I really think you ought to calm down a bit. I don't know why you're so enraged by this topic, but this is just a game. There's more than one way to play it, and interpret whatever's happening.

I'm not an evil person, and I don't play the game to be evil. And I already admitted that I like Joja better partially because it simplifies my challenges, which are quite challenging enough already tyvm.

Maybe you could consider to tone things down a bit, and just allow people to play however they want. You can hate people whose opinions differ from yours on your own time, but it's not very cool to do it here.

[Auburn_TheGaymer]

Can we all PLEASE have a civil discussion about this? This is a game. I love it for the sheer fact that you can farm and relax and go off in a different world. Why can't we all just not name call and just accept we all like to play the game differently?

[Auburn_TheGaymer]

Originally posted by ChrillBill:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

They view Joja as evil because Morris is trying to do what Wal-MArt does in real life: price local stores out and drive them out of business. Morris will literally come in and hand out 50% off coupons, which Pierre CAN'T AFFORD TO DO. But Joja can because they have a stranglehold on supplies otherwise, and have so much supply they can sell at enough of a loss to price him out. That's pretty evil! His LIVELIHOOD is that store, but him wanting to do more than scrape by is apparently greedy???

Uhm, that's basically what I said except I don't see it as evil. That is what companies usually do when it comes to their competition despite it being greedy and like I said, morally dubious. You are missing the point with Pierre. I never said he was greedy because he wanted to make a living from his business. Everyone wants to be able to make a living from their business. But he is greedy and no better than Morris which becomes very obvious during his veggie quest posted on the big billboard. Even several of the npcs gets really upset at him and perhaps also (and rightfully) changes their view about him.

The main difference is that Pierre represent something more old fashioned, running a small family business in a small secluded town and then Joja, who represent something new and modern comes in and wants to set root. Morris has an entire company to back him up while Pierre only has his family and part of the town. Not everyone is against Joja, after all. Therefore it isn't strange that many feel more sorry for Pierre and perhaps also turns a blind eye on what should be obvious. Pierre isn't an honest person after all, which he proves during that particular quest. And no, I don't believe that was a whim from his side. It was a very calculated move where he saw an opportunity to earn some extra cash and he grabbed it without hesitation :p So in a way, the town has two Morrises. They just have different amount of "power" at their disposal :brownchicken:

That is VERY well said/explained. Couldn't have said it better myself.