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I Guess no more money for Pierre....
Welp can't buy from Pierre anymore after I found out about his wife...
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NBOX21 2022 年 8 月 21 日 下午 4:06 
引用自 HansBerg
In any case, I just feel like Caroline being the Wizard's daughter carries more weight than Abigail. There are too many holes in the Abigail theory, and would require Caroline to have forgotten her own affair in order for it to work, and to be weirdly trusting of the new Farmer.
Wizard: I am your father.
Abigail: No. That's not true, that's impossible!
HansBerg 2022 年 8 月 21 日 下午 4:12 
One last thing, which I had forgotten about (and this one requires a bit of guesswork, I'll READILY admit): Caroline states that Abigail's hair colour started as light chestnut brown at birth. It eventually became purple... possibly due to hair dye; but Abigail mentions that she had not dyed her hair for a long time and that the purple colour isn't changing.

This would also suggest that the genetics of someone with light chestnut brown hair are swimming around in there. That would also point to Pierre being the father, with some inherited genes from elsewhere (namely the Wizard... IF I'm correct).
引用自 HansBerg
One last thing, which I had forgotten about (and this one requires a bit of guesswork, I'll READILY admit): Caroline states that Abigail's hair colour started as light chestnut brown at birth. It eventually became purple... possibly due to hair dye; but Abigail mentions that she had not dyed her hair for a long time and that the purple colour isn't changing.

This would also suggest that the genetics of someone with light chestnut brown hair are swimming around in there. That would also point to Pierre being the father, with some inherited genes from elsewhere (namely the Wizard... IF I'm correct).
Oh yeah I forgot she said that. It's a shame we can't test that theory when Abigail asks you if which hair color she prefers. May be possible, if there's the possibility of her not knowing her father, that would ask the question why she's visiting the tower. We need more hints. Especially more of an idea on Caroline's past.
DasaKamov 2022 年 8 月 22 日 上午 10:49 
I can't respect that.
Boy, you sure taught this totally imaginary collection of pixels and code who's boss.
引用自 DasaKamov
I can't respect that.
Boy, you sure taught this totally imaginary collection of pixels and code who's boss.
Ain't that right mah boy.
Nakos 2022 年 8 月 22 日 下午 5:14 
If you talk to the Wizard, he very specifically says he had an affair and that caused the end of his marriage (to the Witch).

I disagree with the idea that Caroline might be his daughter. Given the dysfunctional nature of Pierre and Caroline's relationship, I'm much more inclined to think she had an affair of some sort (and that Abigail is the result). And if that's the case, then the most likely candidate remains the Wizard. If Pierre is uncertain about whether or not Abigail is actually his (biological) daughter, that might well justify the tension we see between him and Caroline.

I'll also point out that there IS canonically magic in the game that can cause someone to forget a relationship. It's possible that Caroline is vague on the details because of that. She might casually tell the Farmer the story of going to visit the Tower because she doesn't't actually remember doing anything illicit there.

And no, I'm not suggesting that it's ethical in any way, just that it does exist within the game.
最后由 Nakos 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 22 日 下午 5:15
HansBerg 2022 年 8 月 22 日 下午 8:58 
Eh, I just don't see it.

The wizard doesn't specifically say that he had an affair, only that he made a mistake. I'm also not denying that he had an affair, just that Caroline wasn't his secret rendezvous, but rather Caroline's mother.

It would just require too much of a leap, to me. I would have to:
Ignore Abigail's natural/original hair color.
Ignore that Caroline and Abigail both have a tendency to wander toward the tower.
Ignore that Caroline has a natural affinity for brewing out of the ordinary concoctions (her tea is made out to be special)
Ignore both Caroline and Abigail's aversion to religion, to the point where they want to avoid the altar room and those worshipping within it (which would include Caroline's best friend). This would be consistent with organized religion and magic not relating to one another very well, to put it very lightly.
Ignore Caroline's desire to spend more romantic time with Pierre, and not less.
Ignore Caroline's confusion about Abigail's interest in the occult.

Even the Wizard himself isn't entirely sure about who his child may be based on his dialogue, going so far as to state that "it's rare but it does happen". He's not stupid, he would know if it was Abigail if he had an affair with Caroline.

It would require too much effort on my part to just ignore the holes that seem to have been deliberately laid out, and too much forgetfulness on the part of everyone involved.

I also have issues with the idea that magic could be used to cause such forgetfulness. First, that would be very lazy storytelling. Second, while I won't claim to know what Concerned Ape is thinking, I'm fairly sure that the ethical quagmire that would result in writing that the wizard used magic to make people forget their intimate interactions with the wizard is something that he would not want to step in to.
最后由 HansBerg 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 22 日 下午 9:00
River 2022 年 8 月 22 日 下午 10:50 
want to make a statement the wizard has mentioned about his ex wife she lives in the swamp to the north, she likes to put hex's randomly on the players farm *cough*
Nakos 2022 年 8 月 23 日 上午 6:15 
引用自 HansBerg
The wizard doesn't specifically say that he had an affair, only that he made a mistake.

Sure. A mistake that drove his wife away and turned her green out of anger and envy. You’re right that it isn’t specified, but Occam’s Razor would suggest that it was an affair. Especially given the other comments by both Pierre and Caroline.

引用自 HansBerg
I'm also not denying that he had an affair, just that Caroline wasn't his secret rendezvous, but rather Caroline's mother.

There’s no evidence to support the idea that the Wizard had an affair with Caroline’s mother. There is (at least circumstantial) evidence to support the idea that Caroline had an affair with the Wizard.

Caroline herself says: "When we first moved to Pelican Town I would take secret walks to the Wizard's Tower. Don't tell Pierre, he has jealousy issues. Abigail was born about a year after we moved to Pelican Town."

Why exactly would Pierre have reason to be jealous of the Wizard if he were Caroline’s father?

引用自 HansBerg
It would just require too much of a leap, to me. I would have to:
Ignore Abigail's natural/original hair color.

Why? Abigail’s hair color being close to that of the Wizard is a potential clue that he could be her father.

That said, the details of Abigail’s hair color are ambiguous. Caroline says that Abigail’s natural hair is actually a different color, and that she dyes it. Abigail also asks the Farmer what color she should dye her hair next implying that it’s already dyed, or has been dyed in the past.

引用自 HansBerg
Ignore that Caroline and Abigail both have a tendency to wander toward the tower.

Caroline HAD such a tendency, back when she (and Pierre) first moved to Stardew Valley, but doesn’t anymore. Abigail does, because the Wizard is (most likely) her father and she has an affinity for Magic, and is unconsciously seeking it out.

引用自 HansBerg
Ignore that Caroline has a natural affinity for brewing out of the ordinary concoctions (her tea is made out to be special)

I don’t see that as being particularly significant. She also has an affinity for both marketing and gossip, both of which are far stronger influences on her life, as evidenced by the how often she tells the Farmer to “stop by our store, we might be able to help you out”, and by her tendency to chat with Jodi in the town square. Heck, she even has a stronger affinity for meditation, given that you can find her sitting under the tree in the park (outside the Community Center) at least once a week. “Brewing” is way, way down on the list of things she demonstrates an affinity for. She loves Green Tea, but so does Lewis.

引用自 HansBerg
Ignore both Caroline and Abigail's aversion to religion, to the point where they want to avoid the altar room and those worshipping within it (which would include Caroline's best friend). This would be consistent with organized religion and magic not relating to one another very well, to put it very lightly.

Lot’s of people aren’t religious. Most of the villagers aren’t. Even some of the villagers who DO visit the altar on Sunday aren’t. George says: “I’ve never been religious, but hey … I’m old”. There’s … what? Three villagers who regularly visit the shrine to Yoba on Sunday? That’s less than 10% of the population. I’m not seeing that as being compelling evidence of anything. Further, you’re assuming that the Wizard must be some sort of Pagan. You don’t actually know that at all, for all we know, he may be a firm believer in Yoba.

You would appear to be assuming that the worship of Yoba is a direct, monotheistic, Christian analog. But we don’t actually know that, Yoba might be part of a pantheon.

We know Abigail and Caroline aren’t interested in joining the other villagers in organized worship of Yoba on Sundays. That’s all we know. That does not automatically imply a religious affinity to the Wizard. All we know about the Wizard’s religious beliefs is that he doesn’t come to the Shrine to Yoba on Sundays.

引用自 HansBerg
Ignore Caroline's desire to spend more romantic time with Pierre, and not less.

So? She’s married to him. The fact that she acknowledges that there’s some conflict between how she want’s their relationship to work and how Pierre does is indicative of marital stress. There’s nothing there that would imply that she’s the Wizard’s child.

Conversely, Pierre (at 8 hearts) will confide in the player that he’s not sure Abigail is his biological daughter. That’s a pretty strong reason to have some suspicions about how committed Caroline might be to their marriage.

引用自 HansBerg
Ignore Caroline's confusion about Abigail's interest in the occult.

What about it? That would make perfect sense if she’d forgotten that she had an affair with the Wizard, but would make very little sense if she knew the Wizard was Abigail’s grandfather.

引用自 HansBerg
Even the Wizard himself isn't entirely sure about who his child may be based on his dialogue, going so far as to state that "it's rare but it does happen". He's not stupid, he would know if it was Abigail if he had an affair with Caroline.

The part the Wizard claims is rare is his penchant for making mistakes. What he says to the player is: "You musn't tell anyone... but I have reason to believe that one of the locals is actually my daughter... I could be mistaken... It's rare, but it does happen."

The Wizard is pretty sure he has a daughter and is probably pretty sure who it is. He’s just doing due diligence and allowing that it’s remotely possible he’s mistaken.

You’re also assuming that because Caroline is forthcoming about the fact that she used to visit the Wizard’s tower that means she can’t have been doing anything illicit there. But conversely, you’re not willing to entertain the idea that perhaps the Wizard is a bit more circumspect about what he’s willing to share with the player. The Wizard may well know exactly who his daughter is, but may prefer not to let the player know that.

引用自 HansBerg
It would require too much effort on my part to just ignore the holes that seem to have been deliberately laid out, and too much forgetfulness on the part of everyone involved.

I also have issues with the idea that magic could be used to cause such forgetfulness. First, that would be very lazy storytelling. Second, while I won't claim to know what Concerned Ape is thinking, I'm fairly sure that the ethical quagmire that would result in writing that the wizard used magic to make people forget their intimate interactions with the wizard is something that he would not want to step in to.

Well, you can have all the misgivings you like, but as I said, it’s canon.

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Dark_Shrine_of_Memory

The ability to erase the memories of someone you’re in a relationship with is part of the magic that exists in the game world.
PhyreMatrix 2022 年 8 月 23 日 上午 7:15 
Why is it that the first theory that pops up in people's head is an affair of some kind. Couldn't Caroline have had Abigail before marrying Pierre? Was that not a possibility for anyone? But I've never actually thought this in depth about a relationship between game characters. Nevermind me, as you were.:coolthulhu:
ChrillBill 2022 年 8 月 23 日 下午 2:18 
引用自 PhyreMatrix
Why is it that the first theory that pops up in people's head is an affair of some kind. Couldn't Caroline have had Abigail before marrying Pierre? Was that not a possibility for anyone? But I've never actually thought this in depth about a relationship between game characters. Nevermind me, as you were.:coolthulhu:
Partially because Pierre mentions the following at a certain point: “Does Abigail look anything like me? Don't tell my wife, but sometimes I wonder if I'm really the father.”

To me that is an indication that either Caroline already was in the very early stages of her pregnancy when she and Pierre started to snuggle, or that Caroline went between Pierre and the Wizard... If Caroline had Abigail before getting together with Pierre there wouldn't be a reason for him to have those doubts.
Siper 2022 年 8 月 27 日 上午 11:39 
To put more fire into the discussion, I recall this Reddit post analyzing the entire theory and deciding to move on to checking Abigail's portrait and comparing with Pierre, Caroline, and the Wizard, and he noted that, besides the purple hair, she has more points that suggests to be related to Pierre (which should be impossible if she's not his biological daughter).
Another argument for Caroline being (potentially) the Wizard's daughter is her green hair color. One could argue she dyed it, but she herself claims to be a bit "old-fashioned" and even asks the player if her daughter "wouldn't look better with her original hair color", which may imply her green hair is natural, which may also imply Caroline, and hence Abigail, have magic ancestry.
But I guess CA left this story vague enough for us to decide which theory we'll take. Is Abigail the Wizard's daughter? Is Caroline his daughter? Are they not-related? Did some magic soup changed her being into becoming magic-sensitive (considering there's a potion that allows us to understand magical creatures and sometimes even animals and another one that tasted terrible but increases our health, and our energy is increased by eating a magic fruit, I imagine there's some spell or magic brew that could allow one's magical sensitivity, and since Caroline likes some good tea - which also increases energy if we drink it -, maybe it could be related somehow)? Who knows?
galacticcorgi 2022 年 8 月 27 日 下午 1:28 
...Abigail's hair color naturally began the same as Pierre's. Light chestnut brown. It's not naturally purple, the dye just... Magically changed her hair.
PhyreMatrix 2022 年 8 月 30 日 上午 5:37 
Yeah, I just came upon Caroline's remark in the game about her natural hair color being light chestnut brown. Abigail's just the rebel chic. Just because a girl wants to hang out in cemeteries in her spare time and dye her hair purple doesn't mean she's someone else's kid. She's just a normal teenage girl. Doesn't mean Caroline did anything untoward.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2856284446

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2856284394
McJiggy 2022 年 8 月 31 日 下午 1:27 
Pierre is an ass that keeps lying to all the villagers saying that he grew or foraged the good stuff I sold that everyone loves while only giving me credit when everyone hates the stuff. I don't feel sorry for him at all and if anything he deserves it.

It makes me do wonder why there are people that want to marry Caroline, imagine wanting to get together with a known cheater.
最后由 McJiggy 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 31 日 下午 1:28
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