Just spit balling here: Thinking on Cask aged wine vs. Keg wine...

[Black Jesus]

It takes roughly a week to ferment wine in a Keg and then another 56 days to take it from normal to Iridium quality and while the per unit profit is amazing with the Cask wine the looooooong downtime while waiting out the 56 days vs. making it in a Keg and selling it in greater volume. I'm almost inclined to believe it's easier and better profit to sell Keg wine in volume then it is to age it in a Cask especially if you have a very large operation going....

Cause I'm sitting here waiting for my Cask wine to age and already have several hundred (cumulatively) starfruit and ancient wine that I grew while waiting for the Casks. Now I'm just spitballing here and I wanted to see what everyone thinks. Even with animal tending and preserve jars for what it's worth I think I'm better off mass producing Wine in Kegs and then straight selling it.

[Pixel Peeper]

If you have lots of time ahead of you and no need for immediate investment budget, then aging the Wine in Casks is pure profit. You'd have to be lazy/crazy not to do it.

The only exception would be if you have near limitless fruit and not enough space for Kegs, in which case you'd be better off replacing the Casks for Kegs, but that's not a realistic scenario.

[Black Jesus]

Not removing Casks, really no point to removing them when I can just fill deluxe barns with kegs.

[Black Jesus]

Originally posted by red255:

Are you planning on removing the Casks from your basement and replacing them with kegs?

If not we got 250 irridium Star Starfruit wine a year, and ...as much regular ancient fruit wine as you can manage in a year. 1.5 Million.

lets say 2500 plants, 7.5 harvests (half a harvest goes into the planting next year) need like 1175 kegs to process in a year. 9 ish barns. 43.3 Million from the ancient fruit wine

So what are you suggesting? Removing the casks from the basement and their 1.5 M a year in lieu of kegs?

the thing is with that many kegs it gets really tedious switching them over. takes like an entire game day.

also note that you do a crop of 2,500 ancient fruit harvested by jumino you just plant and nap, no kegs.... still like 14M.

I mean yeah, you lose the extra 30 something million you'd get from kegging it, but 14 M is enough to buy whatever.

I was gonna just focus on Keg wine rather then sit there for 56 days waiting for it to age. It's quicker to sell it in volume then to wait for it to age is what I was thinking aloud.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by red255:

if you had limitless fruit.

just sell the limitless fruit.

"near limitless" isn't quite as good as "limitless".

Originally posted by Black Jesus:

Originally posted by red255:

I was gonna just focus on Keg wine rather then sit there for 56 days waiting for it to age. It's quicker to sell it in volume then to wait for it to age is what I was thinking aloud.

"quicker" is very important if you need the gold now... but if you don't, it's entirely irrelevant.

If you know you won't need the gold in the next 56 days, then why not age the Wine? It straight up doubles the gold you'll get for selling it. There is no reason not to.

[yodabauer]

I keep my casks full and sell wine without aging if there's no open casks.

[Katalia19]

You can have an absolute maximum of 189 casks. Age that much wine, and sell the rest. Stockpile only the amount for the casks you have in preparation for harvest/change-over day, and sell the rest; best of both worlds. You should absolutely be getting more than 189 bottles of wine in two seasons.

[sagevallant]

Actually, I crunched some numbers and you're technically way better off filling your cellar with Crystalariums producing diamonds than Casks aging Starfruit Wine (most profitable wine). Like, 3 times as much profit per day.

The catch, as always, is the fact that (like with Kegs) you can place Crystalariums basically anywhere you please. Casks are cheap and easy to make, and they produce profit. So there's basically no reason not to put them in your cellar and put other processing machines elsewhere. I've got like 800 Kegs in the desert, for example.

I figure that, if you fill your (standard) farm with Ancient Fruit plants, you'll need like 1,200 kegs to process all the fruit you grow in a year. After that, you're probably best off filling the land with Crystalariums, if you want max profit and don't care how much time and effort it takes to assemble your "max profit" scenario because, dang, would that many Crystalariums take FOREVER to get mats for.

So, once everywhere that's not your cellar is full of Crystalariums, max profit would be remove Casks and place Crystarlariums instead. Until then, there's no reason NOT to use Casks. Because they're cheap to make and you can put other processing machines anywhere. There's no reason they need to compete for space until everywhere else is full.

[sagevallant]

The problem with Preserves Jars is having enough things to run through them, really. :(

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by sagevallant:

The problem with Preserves Jars is having enough things to run through them, really. :(

Huh.

Given that Preserves Jars take massive amounts of Coal to craft, a regular player would normally encounter the exact opposite problem; they'll have way too many plants to run through their few Jars.

[sagevallant]

I'm talking about endgame, really. When materials aren't an issue. Early game, there's not much point in investing into Jars not just because of the Coal, but because you want Kegs late-game so why not spend your materials on them instead? Just change up what you're growing a little bit.

I'm fresh off a game where I cleared 20 million in two years. And that was before I accepted that you really NEED to fish on days 2 thru 4 or 5 to get a really good start, so I'm doing it again. Hate fishing, but the early profits really make it up to me.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by sagevallant:

I'm talking about endgame, really. When materials aren't an issue. Early game, there's not much point in investing into Jars not just because of the Coal, but because you want Kegs late-game so why not spend your materials on them instead? Just change up what you're growing a little bit.

I'm fresh off a game where I cleared 20 million in two years. And that was before I accepted that you really NEED to fish on days 2 thru 4 or 5 to get a really good start, so I'm doing it again. Hate fishing, but the early profits really make it up to me.

Ah... I rarely get that far. It's weird but the game actually has very, very few goals to reach, so my playthroughs don't last very long.

Ah, Fishing... I'm about to do a Fishing-only playthrough and I'm certainly going to enjoy the huge amounts of gold that I'll be making early on, even if I'll be severely limited by Energy concerns.

[sagevallant]

Eat the cheap fish.

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by sagevallant:

Eat the cheap fish.

I do plan on eating fish (it's usually worth giving up 50g to get three more casts), but I wish it were as simple as "eat the cheapest fish first". Unfortunately, it's not. I'll have to make a list of the Energy/gold ratio for all fish.

Sardine: 40g, 13 Energy. Energy per gold = 0.325
Smallmouth Bass: 50g, 25 Energy. Energy per gold = 0.5
Tuna: 100g, 38 Energy. Energy per gold = 0.38.

Fun fun fun.

[sagevallant]

I was thinking that, but was too lazy to math it out. I know starting with the Lake is good, but where do you start fishing once you get up to like 6?

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by sagevallant:

I was thinking that, but was too lazy to math it out. I know starting with the Lake is good, but where do you start fishing once you get up to like 6?

I'll have to optimize.

Early on it'll mostly depend on my Fishing skill. Few fish bite in a day and I need to catch them all, so I'll have to pick the places without hard fish. But Fishing levels so damn quickly, that won't remain a factor for long.

Then I'll mostly be taking into account the season/time/weather, going wherever the most valuable fish are. If I find that I'm eating a lot, I might shift priority to places that have fish with better Energy/gold ratio, but that shouldn't be a problem. Chub are common and they have a 0.5 ratio.

Late spring might offer a chance at the Legend so I'll probably be moving to the Lake when it's raining. It'll be hard without +3 or even +2 Fishing Food, but even a single catch would mean tons of gold.

Realistically speaking though, I'll probably only need around 200,000g to complete the playthrough, so I should be in two months. That's only two seasons to worry about.

Edit: just realized this is getting super off-topic. I'll make a proper thread for discussing Fishing-only playthroughs.