Cask is unworthy / Starfruit Wine

[DarkRider99]

Wiki says you will get one iridium star starfruit wine in 56 days. As i calculated;

In 56 days from one cask, you can get:

8 non-star wine ( 1x /3150 - 8x /25.200 gold)
4 silver star wine (1x /3937 - 4x /15.788 gold)
2 gold star wine (1x /4725 - 2x/ 9450 gold)
1 iridium star wine (1x /6300 -1x /6300gold)

For example you have 30 cask, then you will gain;

756.000 gold from non-star wine
473.640 gold from silver star wine
283.500 gold from gold star wine
189.000 gold from iridium star wine

In 56 days.

[\tg/ World Peace]

I don't know where you're getting the 8 non-star number from. Regular wine is produced using a keg, the cask adds quality stars to it. Cask gold per day is the same for each quality level, only the value of the good being aged matters.

[DarkRider99]

Originally posted by \tg/ World Peace:

I don't know where you're getting the 8 non-star number from. Regular wine is produced using a keg, the cask adds quality stars to it. Cask gold per day is the same for each quality level, only the value of the good being aged matters.

You need 7 days to get normal wine (nonstar wine). I meant you can get 8 wine in 56 days.

[\tg/ World Peace]

Originally posted by Howaley:

Originally posted by \tg/ World Peace:

I don't know where you're getting the 8 non-star number from. Regular wine is produced using a keg, the cask adds quality stars to it. Cask gold per day is the same for each quality level, only the value of the good being aged matters.

You need 7 days to get normal wine (nonstar wine). I meant you can get 8 wine in 56 days.

You can get it from a keg, which produces at the same rate regardless of what your casks are up to. Filling up your casks is just additional money that's being generated for no effort. Not every bottle needs to be aged.

[DarkRider99]

Originally posted by \tg/ World Peace:

Originally posted by Howaley:

You need 7 days to get normal wine (nonstar wine). I meant you can get 8 wine in 56 days.

You can get it from a keg, which produces at the same rate regardless of what your casks are up to. Filling up your casks is just additional money that's being generated for no effort. Not every bottle needs to be aged.

Yep. If you still have starfruits to use on keg, it's true.I am saying you shouldn't wait for iridium star. You can get more money in 56 day.

[sagevallant]

Pretty much as said. There's no reason not to fill your cellar with casks and make wine, but there's also no reason to cask every single bottle of wine you produce either. Maxing your production is way better than casking every bottle.

[Magzie]

Originally posted by sagevallant:

Pretty much as said. There's no reason not to fill your cellar with casks and make wine, but there's also no reason to cask every single bottle of wine you produce either. Maxing your production is way better than casking every bottle.

Actually you can just make wine in your cellar. You'll make more money in a year and skipping ageing. There is no reason what so ever to ever age wine unless you just like doing that.

[Security Cam #7]

You will get more gold by planting rare seeds/starfruit in your greenhouse.

I recommend rare seeds over starfruit, as they can grow multiple times

[Kadian]

I don't think you see the whole picture here. Aging the Wine is simply additional gold for no cost. You can have Kegs literally anywhere to produce wine, then you throw it into the cask to increase its quality.

Simply put, look at it from this perspective: You have 9 Kegs, producing Wine every 7 days. You take the first batch of wine you produce and throw it into the casks, so you won't get anything in the first week. The next 7 weeks you will be able to produce more wine and simply sell it ; thats 63 bottles of wine you will sell for 300% of the Base Price. Then, in the eigth week, you have 7 bottles of iridium quality wine which doubles the selling price, so you make 600% for every bottle in this week. Additionally, you have another batch of regular wine you can put into the casks.
So, after 56 days, you would actually be at the same value:
63x300+9x600 = 24300% (of the fruit base price) -> With Caskets
81x300 = 24300% -> Without Caskets

However, do this for another 56 days and it looks different. Its again 8 weeks in total, so you'll have 7 weeks of regular wine and an the 8. week has the casket wine. So, with caskets, you have, again, those 24300% of the fruit base price.
However, in the same time you only get 8 weeks of regular wine if you don't work with caskets, so you have 72 bottles of wine:
72x300 = 21600% (of the fruit base price) -> Without Caskets.

So, what can we deduce from this?
In the first cycle of using caskets, you won't make any additional money. From the second cycle onwards you will gain more money than you would without caskets though.

So, by default, you should put caskets in your cellar. Put a shed or 2 somewhere, fill it up with Kegs. In the first 56 days you will get the same money with or without the caskets, afterwards you get more money. This, of course, assumes that you wouldn't stop planting or growing crops while waiting for your wine to age....

[sagevallant]

Originally posted by Magzie:

Originally posted by sagevallant:

Pretty much as said. There's no reason not to fill your cellar with casks and make wine, but there's also no reason to cask every single bottle of wine you produce either. Maxing your production is way better than casking every bottle.

Actually you can just make wine in your cellar. You'll make more money in a year and skipping ageing. There is no reason what so ever to ever age wine unless you just like doing that.

You can put Kegs literally anywhere that NPCs don't walk through. I have almost 1,000 Kegs in the desert. There's no need at all to drop Kegs in the Cellar, so they don't compete for space with Casks. So, again, there's no reason NOT to have a cellar of casks. I wouldn't bother going overboard and packing every space with them like some people do, just a nice setup you can walkthrough every two seasons and collect your bonus.

An optimal farm is a Standard Farm with no barns/coops, nothing on your farm except for Ancient Fruit growing year-round and sprinklers & scarecrows (and Golden Clock & Stable). Greenhouse full of Ancient Fruit. Even after you take out half a harvest for seeds for next year. You need like 1200+ Kegs to process it all in a year, all outside your farm. Desert, Sewer, Quarry, w/e. All told, you'll be generating like 60 million annually.

I've been able to set this up as early as Day 1 of Year 3. I'd been toying with the idea of getting Ancient Fruit seeds to be set up by the start of Year 2, but I honestly haven't figured out a non-cheating way to do it. Ancient Fruit plants just grow too slowly, and the drop rate for the Seed Artifact is too low. Even with Journal glitch abuse it just isn't practical.

[DarkRider99]

I have found a way. Think like that, I harvested 1.6k starfruit in one year. And my cask number is max 50. One cask can give me 1 iridium wine in 2 season. That's means 2 iridium in per year. So for 1.6k wine and 50 cask; it's 16 year! I'll gain 10.080.000 gold after 16 year. I can produce 1600 wine from 100 keg in one year. And it's 5.040.000 in one year. in 16 years it's 80.640.000 gold. Best way is ; 1500regular wine +100 iridium wine which is 50 cask's max produce capability in year. it's 5milion gold +300k gold.

[werdry]

Wine vs Jelly is about quantity.
Like, wine is 7 days and x3 of fruit base price, and jelly is 3 days and x2 of fruit base price.
Means, for same time jelly means more money per time, but its less money per fruit.

Anyways, i dont really see a reason in making 99.999.999 gold ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Buffmania]

Originally posted by Howaley:

I am saying you shouldn't wait for iridium star. You can get more money in 56 day.

That is incorrect. The total value of aged wine, regardless of what quality level, is the same because the rate of added value is the same per time period. It is also important to take unaged wine into account when comparing the higher quality levels because it is wasteful in both time and resources to delay reinvestment for a comparatively tiny increase in value. The value gained from aging wine is equivalent to one bottle of regular wine in 8 weeks.


Increase in value per time period for Artisan starfruit wine:

base: 3150g
silver: 3937g, increase of 787g in 2 weeks
gold: 4725g, increase of 788g in 2 weeks
iridium: 6300g, increase of 1575g in 4 weeks (787.5g per 2 weeks)


Ways to age/sell 4 bottles of wine with one cask in 8 weeks:

four bottles of unaged: 3150g*4 = 12,600g
four bottles of silver: 3937g*4 = 15,748g
two bottles of gold and two unaged: 4725g*2 + 3150g*2 = 15,750g
one botttle of iridium and 3 unaged: 6300g + 3150g*3 = 15,750g