Anyone know of a mod to give Clint a backbone?

[Rather Useless]

I'd appreciate it.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

Making Emily less of a ♥♥♥♥♥ would be nice, too.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Fixing the community centre means he already clears off on a Friday. It's all well and good wanting a strong, independent Clint but what if he marries Emily and they clear off to the city ? With up to eight customers on a Friday night Gus is going to be overwhelmed (it probably needs one permanent staff member just to serve Pam and Shane). Also who's going to crack open your Geodes (is it just me or did that sound sleazily sexy ?) ? Who's going to upgrade your hoe (I knew I should have picked watering can) ?

The fabric of Stardew Valley requires Clint to be a sad sack permanently labouring at his furnace or drowning his sorrows in the pub.

S.x.

[-Na Shagul-]

Originally posted by red255:

But you have to understand, Clint *likes* being what he is.

Exactly, his very existence is centered around being a pity party

[Rather Useless]

Originally posted by The Dark Tyger:

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

Making Emily less of a ♥♥♥♥♥ would be nice, too.

In what way is Emily a ♥♥♥♥♥?

5-hearts? It means she's 5/5 on the hearts scale.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

Originally posted by The Dark Tyger:

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

Making Emily less of a ♥♥♥♥♥ would be nice, too.

In what way is Emily a ♥♥♥♥♥?

She's just as self-absorbed as her sister with the added twist of being outgoing enough to drag other people into whatever insanity she's up to. About half of her dialog is judgmental in some way, and the rest is vapid.

I want to arrange Emily the day off, take Clint down to the saloon, and buy him a round in celebration of his successful escape from the crazy.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

“I wish Haley would get a job or at least contribute to cooking and cleaning. I think she's hoping to marry someone rich.”
“I'm just working at Gus' to make ends meet."
“You catch fish? I just hope you treat the poor things humanely. Every critter deserves our respect, even the slimy ones.”
“I hope you're farming in a sustainable way. The valley's ecosystem is fragile! How do I know? I have a strong gut-feeling!”
“Doctor, I'd like to go with the 'natural remedy' if possible.”
“There's good people in this town who just can't seem to find happiness. It makes me sad. Working in the saloon, I hear first-hand about everyone's problems.” (Combine that with her obliviousness towards Clint)
“I feel bad for Linus. People judge him, but he's just living a different lifestyle. I wish everyone could learn to be accepting of others.”
“There's so many invisible barriers holding us back. Why can't people learn to let go and celebrate freedom? Me? Well, you know what they say... 'You can't cage a wild Junimo'”
“Wow, this snowman needs a makeover. Who made this?”

She's not quite as bad as Leah in the whole "everyone should just do what I say they should" thing, but she makes up for it with the crazy.

[darkdisciple1313]

Originally posted by red255:

Emily is crazy. you don't have sex with crazy because that would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.

her first heart event should be enough to get you to run away.

Weeeeeellll...that's not always true. Sometimes crazy is fine if, say, the crazy lives half of one continent, an ocean and half of another continent away, and you only knew her for two weeks while on a cruise in the Bahamas. It was the jet-black hair and purple eyes, I just couldn't help myself...but yeah, she was crazy.

Thankfully, parts of Eastern Europe still don't have the internet...

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

“I wish Haley would get a job or at least contribute to cooking and cleaning. I think she's hoping to marry someone rich.”

That's the only line of Emily's that's remotely judgemental, as far as I can see - and it's not surprising that tensions might fray occasionally between two relatives who share the same house.

What *is* surprising is that someone thinks that Leah is saying "everyone should just do what I say" in her dialogue. But, you know, to each their own. ;b

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

“I'm just working at Gus' to make ends meet."
I've got a steady job with a boss who likes me but I only do it for the money.

“You catch fish? I just hope you treat the poor things humanely. Every critter deserves our respect, even the slimy ones.”
“I hope you're farming in a sustainable way. The valley's ecosystem is fragile! How do I know? I have a strong gut-feeling!”
You should do your job the way I'm telling you to. Otherwise you're wrong. Because I have feelings!

“Doctor, I'd like to go with the 'natural remedy' if possible.”
I'm too good for pharmesuticals, you know.

“There's good people in this town who just can't seem to find happiness. It makes me sad. Working in the saloon, I hear first-hand about everyone's problems.”
I know what's wrong about everyone in town. Even Clint. Who thinks of me as a friend.

“I feel bad for Linus. People judge him, but he's just living a different lifestyle. I wish everyone could learn to be accepting of others.”
I judge everyone as being unkind for judging someone.

“There's so many invisible barriers holding us back. Why can't people learn to let go and celebrate freedom? Me? Well, you know what they say... 'You can't cage a wild Junimo'”
I don't have the job I want. I blame invisible barriers. The kind made by other people. I'm better than that!

“Wow, this snowman needs a makeover. Who made this?”
Do I even need to explain how this is critical of other people?

As for Leah, her most common line of dialog is environut lecture and all of her cutscenes involve her berating a former boyfriend who was afraid she wouldn't be able to support herself with her art which, guess what, most artists can't.

My general analysis is that people that like Emily or Leah are those blessed by NOT knowing someone like them in real life. They tend to be unpleasant people.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

*snip*

I suppose one of the greatest strengths of games like SDV is that each player has the agency to develop the game's characters as they see fit, since ConcernedApe has done a great job of planting the seeds of character development while still allowing the players' interpretations to take the reins.

Your interpretation of Emily and Leigh can't be *wrong*, as your Stardew World exists in a sperate reality from mine (as ours exists seperately from every other player,) but just as a example of how I can take the exact same lines and interpret them entirely differently:

“I'm just working at Gus' to make ends meet."
> Although I might just be working in a small-town bar right now, I have ambitions and dreams that I'm working to make reality.

“You catch fish? I just hope you treat the poor things humanely. Every critter deserves our respect, even the slimy ones.”
“I hope you're farming in a sustainable way. The valley's ecosystem is fragile! How do I know? I have a strong gut-feeling!”
> I care about being responsible stewards of our environment and about respecting all living creatures, no matter how "ugly" their outward appearance is.

“Doctor, I'd like to go with the 'natural remedy' if possible.”
> I'd like the treatment to be non-invasive, with as little dependency on drugs or chemicals as possible.

“There's good people in this town who just can't seem to find happiness. It makes me sad. Working in the saloon, I hear first-hand about everyone's problems.”
> Though people may put on a normal facade, deep down, a lot of my close friends and colleagues in Stardew Valley are dealing with serious issues. I wish I could do more to help (and since you're the PC, here's a nudge-nudge-hint-hint to develop relationships with the other townsfolk to help them with their problems).

“I feel bad for Linus. People judge him, but he's just living a different lifestyle. I wish everyone could learn to be accepting of others.”
> People shouldn't dismiss someone out of hand - or worse, actively hurt them - just because they don't fit into our tidy categories of 'socially acceptable' or 'proper'.

“There's so many invisible barriers holding us back. Why can't people learn to let go and celebrate freedom? Me? Well, you know what they say... 'You can't cage a wild Junimo'”
> Many of the barriers that prevent people form being happy are self-constructed ones. People shouldn't let their insecurities hold them back from being who they truly want to be.

“Wow, this snowman needs a makeover. Who made this?”
(...ok, I'll admit this one can seem like a jerk-statement. But, on the other hand, it could just as easily be good-natured teasing and a rhetorical question, or it could be a "Who made this? Come on, let's spruce up your snowman together!")

As for Leah, her most common line of dialog is environut lecture

I see nothing wrong with that - her character cares about the environment, and it's not like she's running around with squirrels in her hair, screaming, "civilization is eeeeevil! Burn it all down and let nature reclaim her land!" ;)

and all of her cutscenes involve her berating a former boyfriend who was afraid she wouldn't be able to support herself with her art which, guess what, most artists can't.

So she was hurt by someone she was in love with, who was completely uninterested in her passions and always criticized her for it. None of her dialogue really suggests that she's having serious trouble paying the bills, nor does she say anything along the lines of "once I'm a successful artist, I'll be filthy rich", so her ex-partner's obsession with money was likely something *they* continously projected on *her*.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

I suppose one of the greatest strengths of games like SDV is that each player has the agency to develop the game's characters as they see fit

That was as far as I got before everything else wasn't worth reading. If you care so little about analysis that objective reality no longer exists, I don't care enough to read your rambling.

[gnewna]

Ah yes, literary/media/film analysis, the exact science of What Is The Correct Meaning Of This Text.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

that objective reality

"Objective Reality" in a 16-bit style video game, huh?

Yikes.

[mikeydsc]

Talk about being crazy.....

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by red255:

I'm Reasonably sure a machine could crack open my geodes. its not all that technical. he just hits it with a hammer.

Well as a IT tech I say that building a computer is just like Lego for adults.... but other people will just call me a PC Master race elitist because it is for some reason elitist to know what computer parts are. Well at least without going around bragging about how many teraflops my platform has.

I am reasonably sure somethings a professional do isn't all just as easy as it looks like all the time. Anyone CAN crack open a geode with a hammer, but not everyone can do with without also breaking what is inside.