Return Scepter: What's The Point?

[JimDeadlock]

I could easily afford the Return Scepter if I wanted it, but I worked out that I could pass out at 2am every day for 20 in-game years @ 1000g a pop for the price of the Scepter and all that time it would save me an inventory space and the effort of clicking it to return. Or just use green totems.

Does anyone else use the Scepter regularly and have anything good to say about it that I might not be aware of?

[teravisor]

If you pass out or sleep after 12am you lose half of energy at beginning of next day.
I feel bad if I pass out. So I try to do everything not to pass out.
It allows you to get back to farm anytime, not just 2am. You just fished/mined something out, you're on your farm already, loaded furnace/whatever, went to permanent beach/mountain totem (another 1 mil of gold wasted, yes, so what?) standing right next to you and you're fishing/mining already.
And it's permanent for the sake of permanency. I'd never use totems just because they're consumable. I just hate consumables.

Also there's not enough money sinks even with that scepter and permanent totems.

[The Y'All Of Us]

I use mine all the time just to get back to the centralized location of the farmhouse. It's faster to walk halfway across the map fro, home to the beach than it is to walk from the quarry down.

The Minecarts usually do a decent enough job of transport, but there's no minecart down towards the bottom left of Cindersnap, or in the skull caverns, etcedera. It's really just convenience.

[Pristine1281]

I do plan on investing on the Scepter at some point.

[JimDeadlock]

If I'm doing something in particular (fishing, mining etc) I tend to do it for the entire day. I tend my animals first thing in the morning then off I go until 2am. I can understand those reasons but none are for me, except maybe just for something to spend my money on.

@Charlotte after 350 hours why are you still walking? Don't you have a horse? And don't you use the blue totems to get to the beach?

[I Kinda Fail]

Originally posted by JimDeadlock:

If I'm doing something in particular (fishing, mining etc) I tend to do it for the entire day. I tend my animals first thing in the morning then off I go until 2am. I can understand those reasons but none are for me, except maybe just for something to spend my money on.

@Charlotte after 350 hours why are you still walking? Don't you have a horse? And don't you use the blue totems to get to the beach?

That's exactly it, it's for people who have nothing else to spend money on. Money becomes *absolutely* no object if you know what you're doing.

I'm doing a run right now (which would explain her 350 hours - we do more than one run) that has no Farming and no Fishing allowed. All my money is from Mining, Combat or Foraging. And I have about 150k.

A normal run, by this point, I'd have a bunch of sheds full of kegs and junimo huts set up. 64 starfruit wine sell for I think around 120k, or more with the Artisan perks. Alternatively, you can plant about 1200 hops in the summer, and make about 200k per week off beer alone, with enough kegs.

If you start lining the map with stuff like kegs, beehives or crystalariums, you can make even more. You can make an extra 20k per week or so by planting maple trees at the train station and tapping them.

You can easily make over 1m per season, with the right setup. I think it's possible to make over 5m per season.

But yeah, I've got 150k right now without even farming or fishing. :P And I probably make like 80k profit per week, give or take. My RNG is terrible this run. I keep getting male slimes, so they can't reproduce.

[Aerius]

There is a chance of losing some items if you pass out, so that's not really an option regularly.

Totems are an option, but at 5,000g a pop all you need is 400 uses to break even on the Scepter. It depends on your routine, but you can use it a lot - like multiple times per day. For instance if you are hunting for artifacts, you may use it at least twice to check Mountain/Beach via Obelisks (granted by your logic you won't like Obelisks either). You will also use it a lot out of laziness, don't want to walk back from bus stop? Warp. Greenhouse looks too far from house? Warp. etc

[JimDeadlock]

5000g for a totem? I make them for nothing. I also never walk anywhere, I ride my horse, and warping home means leaving your horse behind so then you're stuck at home.

I've never lost anything from passing out, and I've done so many times.

[DrakenKin]

Oh your horse doesn't spawn back at home at the end of the day? you have to fetch him where you left him?

That sucks...

[EnigmaticBeast]

Originally posted by Draken:

Oh your horse doesn't spawn back at home at the end of the day? you have to fetch him where you left him?

That sucks...

the horse teleports back to his stable once you go to bed, you don't have to run back to get him, whoever said you had to was wrong

[Aerius]

Even if you don't lose items you will lose money.

5,000g is the cost at the Casino. You cannot make enough to offset what a frequent Scepter user would consume since getting mass Fiber is difficult.

Horse only makes you 30% faster, so if you need to walk 30% less distance is is worth the tradeoff. Walking somewhere and warping back is always faster than a horse (ie, 50% distance traveled vs 70% threshold), with the exception if movement is over a movement reduction tile (ie, crops).

Ultimately it seems like you have already decided that it is a useless item since Totems are 'free' and unlimited apparently. You do not seem to accept that you can use it many times a day saving yourself time, so there is nothing more to be said. It saves you time if used effectively, whether that is worth 2 million to you is your call.

[EnigmaticBeast]

Originally posted by Aerius:

Even if you don't lose items you will lose money.

5,000g is the cost at the Casino. You cannot make enough to offset what a frequent Scepter user would consume since getting mass Fiber is difficult.

Horse only makes you 30% faster, so if you need to walk 30% less distance is is worth the tradeoff. Walking somewhere and warping back is always faster than a horse (ie, 50% distance traveled vs 70% threshold), with the exception if movement is over a movement reduction tile (ie, crops).

Ultimately it seems like you have already decided that it is a useless item since Totems are 'free' and unlimited apparently. You do not seem to accept that you can use it many times a day saving yourself time, so there is nothing more to be said. It saves you time if used effectively, whether that is worth 2 million to you is your call.

I think it is more than worth the money especially once you start making deep dives into the skull cavern imo

[The Y'All Of Us]

Originally posted by JimDeadlock:

If I'm doing something in particular (fishing, mining etc) I tend to do it for the entire day. I tend my animals first thing in the morning then off I go until 2am. I can understand those reasons but none are for me, except maybe just for something to spend my money on.

@Charlotte after 350 hours why are you still walking? Don't you have a horse? And don't you use the blue totems to get to the beach?

Those hours are spread over a bunch of different files (about seven, a few of which were challenge maps), most of which do have the horse. The horse is a godsend for mid-game, but it has its' own drawbacks like not being able to fit through certain gaps, and I usually tend to walk a good enough distance away from it doing my many tasks. The horse is certainly great for cutting down the time it takes to do a foraging loop though, since those usually take you all across the map and back home.

I don't use the craftable totems, and I haven't actually bought either of the permanent totems yet- I can afford them, and I have the materials, but with the speed boosts, the horse, and the scepter they're just redundant in my eyes, and I don't want to crowd the area around my house with them.

Unfortunately using the scepter doesn't return the horse to the house, so wherever it is when i warp is where I leave it for the day.