Trapper -> Mariner is so much better than people give it Credit For.

[Wootah]

I see almost every guide and person say to go Fisher -> Angler, and I just cannot see why. Granted Trapper isn't that great of a skill since you can get iron and wood very easily, the cost reduction is negligible. But there is one thing about Mariner that is AMAZING is..

Sashimi. That is right. This recipe puts the floor cost on every non-trash item caught in the crab pot to an astounding 75g a day. It can all be converted to sashimi. That is ridiculous. The recipe is insanely easy to get early in the game (soon as it is blackberry season, just keep giving linus black berries whenever possible. As soon as you get mariner, every pot is a guaranteed 75g every day.

Compare it to starfruit. It sells for 750 after 13 days. After 13 days a single fishing pot will give you 975 (13*75). Granted you can put this into a keg and up the price to 2250 after another 7 days, but when you subtract the cost of the starfruit (400 from oasis) that is 1850 which is only slightly more than the 1500 you would get from your crab pot over the same time. Catch a couple of 100g crabs or lobster and you make about the same amount of money.

Now the downside of crab pots is you have to tend them every day, so we shouldn't be comparing them to farming which is plant and forget... but fishing is the opposite. Sure you can make a ton of gold with fishing, but you spend your whole day fishing. If you service your crab pots in the morning, you have all the time in the day to mine, work on relationships, or improve your farming... something that cannot be said about fishing.

Lastly, on bait, Early on you have tons of bait from the mines. Later, when money isn't an issue, you can just buy bait from willy (1 sashimi buys 15 bait). Once you get bait jars you are limited on hard wood (which shouldn't be a problem since you can visit the secret woods daily since you aren't fishing.

Trapper/Mariner just makes so much money Sashimi, I don't know why everyone thinks it is so bad. (Please don't nerf Sashimi sell price).

[hsinyuehliu314]

ah, thanks I was afraid I was the only one and thus am the insane one.

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Wootah:

Compare it to starfruit. It sells for 750 after 13 days. After 13 days a single fishing pot will give you 975 (13*75). Granted you can put this into a keg and up the price to 2250 after another 7 days, but when you subtract the cost of the starfruit (400 from oasis) that is 1850 which is only slightly more than the 1500 you would get from your crab pot over the same time. Catch a couple of 100g crabs or lobster and you make about the same amount of money.

One doesn't buy starfruit seed. One uses the seedmaker after buying and growing just one seed. If one were to rely on your fishy hypothesis - this comparitive math you speak of - the sums fall over rather quickly and are prone to being much less fruitful for the player.

[Spockus]

Originally posted by Silky Rough:

Originally posted by Wootah:

Compare it to starfruit. It sells for 750 after 13 days. After 13 days a single fishing pot will give you 975 (13*75). Granted you can put this into a keg and up the price to 2250 after another 7 days, but when you subtract the cost of the starfruit (400 from oasis) that is 1850 which is only slightly more than the 1500 you would get from your crab pot over the same time. Catch a couple of 100g crabs or lobster and you make about the same amount of money.

One doesn't buy starfruit seed. One uses the seedmaker after buying and growing just one seed. If one were to rely on your fishy hypothesis - this comparitive math you speak of - the sums fall over rather quickly and are prone to being much less fruitful for the player.

Nice puns lol. Anyways, Where would you guys put all those crab pots anyways? Unless you have a riverlands farm you will run out of space real quick.

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Spockus:

Originally posted by Silky Rough:

One doesn't buy starfruit seed. One uses the seedmaker after buying and growing just one seed. If one were to rely on your fishy hypothesis - this comparitive math you speak of - the sums fall over rather quickly and are prone to being much less fruitful for the player.

Nice puns lol. Anyways, Where would you guys put all those crab pots anyways? Unless you have a riverlands farm you will run out of space real quick.

The piers will actually hold a LOT of pots... but... the trash... and the walk everyday... soon grows very, very, very, very, very... tiresome.

Starfruit - heck, even parsnips, are a far less painful death by ordeal

[Sue]

The crab pot concept does hold weight, the game is quite balanced when it comes to money making enterprises.

Most farms have areas of water - I've used crab pots on my farm in every game I've played - and I've tried most of the different farms.

You can teleport with a totem to the beach, or gallop there. The amount of money you can earn from foraging on the beach is an additional bonus.

You can combine crab potting with a days fishing if you so choose.

I think we should all give it a try!

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sue:

You can teleport with a totem to the beach, or gallop there.

Forsooth dear lady... By the time you can "gallop" or "teleport" there you'd be well beyond worrying about "crab pot" income... at least, you should be.

[Spockus]

Originally posted by Silky Rough:

Originally posted by Sue:

You can teleport with a totem to the beach, or gallop there.

Forsooth dear lady... By the time you can "gallop" or "teleport" there you'd be well beyond worrying about "crab pot" income... at least, you should be.

Rekt him there...

[Sue]

Forsooth dear lady? I ain't no lady - lol

There's many ways of playing this game and 'farming' an income. Plus, it takes time to get to Mariner status. ;)

[Pristine1281]

I did do the crabpot route, but went the other one where I didn't have to use bait again, which I found to be less tedius so I could use that bait for fishing. Oh, once I get to a point when I don't need to use any crabpot items from the ocean, all of my crabpots go to my farm so I get get stuff for quality fertilizer or recycling items, which also come in handy.

[jie]

The trash is a Nice income for iron coal and refined quartz

[Ryika]

Both aren't really all that useful to be honest. Between Mariner and Trapper I do also prefer Trapper though, simply because it's mostly passive and scales very well with low amounts of time investments. To really make the most out of Mariner you have to be actively fishing all the time, which is just not something that's worth it.

Overall both share the main problem the whole game has - lack of a real "end game" that doesn't just boil down to "Well, you can continue to make Gold if you want.", that's what makes them really lack meaning after you're reached the point where you already have enough Gold for everything you need or want.

I do think the Sashimi-strategy is pretty ridiculous when you compare it to the other "high profit"-farms though.

[Wootah]

The advantages of trapper are

• saving on Bait
  
• saving on bait load times,
  
• and... trash.

Bait is incredibly cheap, and a single fish turned to sashimi will stock that same barrel for 15 more days (5g each from Willy). You can make tons of bait bins so this benefit becomes negligble. Load times do take quite a while, but are nothing compared to the time that it takes fishing. You can have 50 barrels emptied and loaded in the time that it takes you to catch 2 difficult fish. As for the trash, I think that is a disadvantage as it costs you money to catch trash and you have to spend time loading the recyclers, which was one of the huge draws to mariner in the first place. I personally think that you get more than enough coal and refined quartz working toward mariner to make it not worth much once you can get just fish continually.

Finally, the starfruit example was a comparison to the lucrative nature of the crab pots, not saying you shouldn't raise crops or use seed machines. You can do both. The main point was that the time sink in fishing means you have to commit significantly more time to fishing to get monetary benefit from fisher/angler.

[Kblocks]

mmmm yeah spreadsheets

[Wootah]

I have never ever gotten a cloth from newspaper. The wiki says it can happen, but how often?

[jie]

I mass caged the beach with around 100+ crabpots and used my basement as the main processor for trash. Zoon the whole city was walking on fancy paths. Also i never had coal issues