Epic said Exodus sold more on Their store more than Last Light did on steam

[Svide]

The only way to talk to these suits is by money. The only way you can tell Epic to go ♥♥♥♥ themselves is by buying the game on steam not be toxic. Cause right now they all think we're crying kids.

[Terrapin]

Yeah, not buying it.

[DCid]

700,000 sales isnt really a lot... Because thats how much the game sold on Epic after a year.

[Dayve]

DCid eredeti hozzászólása:

700,000 sales isnt really a lot... Because thats how much the game sold on Epic after a year.

I thought EGS hid their sales numbers?

[Dayve]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Dayve eredeti hozzászólása:

I thought EGS hid their sales numbers?

It's an estimation based on Windows Store users and Xbox console users using the Xbox API that also works on Windows as well. Some how the playtracker site is using Windows Store users and Xbox users to come to some kind of estimation for Epic sales.

Ah. So we have the total number of Exodus units sold, and we subtract the amount of people who bought through the Windows store and consoles? (and now STEAM)

[VaiTaPro]

DCid eredeti hozzászólása:

700,000 sales isnt really a lot... Because thats how much the game sold on Epic after a year.

And how much of this 700k copies were paid by epic as part of the exclusivity agreement (i bet 500k).

So yeah epic didn't sold anything.

[Dayve]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Dayve eredeti hozzászólása:

Ah. So we have the total number of Exodus units sold, and we subtract the amount of people who bought through the Windows store and consoles? (and now STEAM)

No. The total amount of units sold have never been released. That is kind of the issue, they are using opened user profiles from Xbox/Windows Store to some how come to an estimation of how many EGS sold, I have no idea what math they are using. Its why I have an issue trusting Playtracker for EGS sales since EGS has no user profiles to go by to help determine an estimation on sales. I am sure it probably is fairly accurate for Windows Store users, Xbox Users, and Steam users for Steam games, but for EGS I'm not sure not when they are having to use other stores users to some how come to an estimation for EGS.

Right, that clears it up.

Doesn't the fact that EGS refuse to release their sales numbers alone kind of indicate that they're not selling very much (compared to the numbers STEAM frequently sells of big new hyped releases)?

Seems to me that if I were running EGS and I got good sales I'd be shouting it from the rooftops to stick it to STEAM, not releasing BS statements like "we sold more than the last game in the franchise".

[VaiTaPro]

Dayve eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

No. The total amount of units sold have never been released. That is kind of the issue, they are using opened user profiles from Xbox/Windows Store to some how come to an estimation of how many EGS sold, I have no idea what math they are using. Its why I have an issue trusting Playtracker for EGS sales since EGS has no user profiles to go by to help determine an estimation on sales. I am sure it probably is fairly accurate for Windows Store users, Xbox Users, and Steam users for Steam games, but for EGS I'm not sure not when they are having to use other stores users to some how come to an estimation for EGS.

Right, that clears it up.

Doesn't the fact that EGS refuse to release their sales numbers alone kind of indicate that they're not selling very much (compared to the numbers STEAM frequently sells of big new hyped releases)?

Seems to me that if I were running EGS and I got good sales I'd be shouting it from the rooftops to stick it to STEAM, not releasing BS statements like "we sold more than the last game in the franchise".

By not releasing any real number's and the way they handle sales with such heavy discounts clearly show to everyone that they are failing.

They have every right to release any number of sales with the publisher approval but why would they, they need to stay quiet and release ''statements'' like ''we sold more than the first Metro''.

And epic would never admit they are failing anyway :)

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

Actually, they are by rights allowed to publish their total sold copies simply by putting it in a small clause when you purchase any game from the store itself. No one (parabolic statement here) ever reads the terms and agreement stuff when they buy something anyone, anyways.
Also Epic recently made a fanfare about how many copies of certain games had been in play - and it was games they'd given away for free anyways.... so yeah of course more people has played the games you give them for free. Duh.

Also no thanks Epic, I am not interested in being bribed to use that launcher of theirs, through free games. I wanna spent my money on games I want. If I do not want it all that much, lemme buy it later when it's lowered in price or not sale.
There's a lack of value to something you were just given, compared to something you bought yourself - Kinda why stuff like an allowance for children is a smart thing to do, in order to give them a sense of understanding on the value of the money they have, rather than just get whatever they wish tossed in their face by mom and dad.
I mean, at least it's how things sorta works here in Denmark.

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

VaiTaPro eredeti hozzászólása:

By not releasing any real number's and the way they handle sales with such heavy discounts clearly show to everyone that they are failing.

They have every right to release any number of sales with the publisher approval but why would they, they need to stay quiet and release ''statements'' like ''we sold more than the first Metro''.

And epic would never admit they are failing anyway :)

And as we can see in this industry, it is actually a very tiny portion of this industry that actually releases any sales information at all. If any of these companies were interested in releasing sales information at all or break it down even further down to the stores the would do that, but not even the vast majority of the successful companies ever share this kind of information.

So to expect any of these companies to do what they normally do not do anyways is being unreasonable.

Also Epic is not afraid to spend a ton of money to go after a large market share. They do not want to be like all the other competitors to Steam and practically not do anything to truly compete to obtain a higher market share. It's going to take a lot of money to get into the market as a serious competitor. So you are wrong about having discounts as a sign they are failing, rather that is a sign of Epic being serious about gaining that large market share and make themselves a serious competitor in this market.

The thing is, if they wanna proudly state 'we sold so much!' then it means SQUAT if they have no actual numbers to show to give that statement validity.
I've mentioned this before, but if anyone makes a statement and expects others to trust it, they oughta provide clearcut evidence to support that satement.

I mean I can quite easily just state something as well, and you all MUST believe it because it's good enough if it's Epic, or Steam, or Microsoft or any other massive money-focused company that stated something - If that is so, then me, a private person with no advertisement-focus or anything like that should be MORE trustworthy to be taken by my words.

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Phoenix Legacy eredeti hozzászólása:

The thing is, if they wanna proudly state 'we sold so much!' then it means SQUAT if they have no actual numbers to show to give that statement validity.
I've mentioned this before, but if anyone makes a statement and expects others to trust it, they oughta provide clearcut evidence to support that satement.

I mean I can quite easily just state something as well, and you all MUST believe it because it's good enough if it's Epic, or Steam, or Microsoft or any other massive money-focused company that stated something - If that is so, then me, a private person with no advertisement-focus or anything like that should be MORE trustworthy to be taken by my words.

So when the developers of WWZ stated they sold 2 million copies in total with 700k of them being on the PC through EGS a little over a month after release, do you believe them? or what do you expect to be actual proof? Seems like if you expect actual proof in some form you must not believe any company that ever gives sales units sold regardless of where the game was being sold.

Do they have actual number to show, or do they have just a statement? if it's just a statement, then I remain skeptic.
And yeah I do not trust statements from companies because they often fiddle with the way it's said so it sounds bigger than it is. I can accept it might be true or at least holds a lot of truth to it. but I do not just take them at their word when there's no clear, easy-understood data to support that statement.
I am the same way with Politicians, Religious Folks' Statements, Public Figures, etc.

[VaiTaPro]

Phoenix Legacy eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

So when the developers of WWZ stated they sold 2 million copies in total with 700k of them being on the PC through EGS a little over a month after release, do you believe them? or what do you expect to be actual proof? Seems like if you expect actual proof in some form you must not believe any company that ever gives sales units sold regardless of where the game was being sold.

Do they have actual number to show, or do they have just a statement? if it's just a statement, then I remain skeptic.
And yeah I do not trust statements from companies because they often fiddle with the way it's said so it sounds bigger than it is. I can accept it might be true or at least holds a lot of truth to it. but I do not just take them at their word when there's no clear, easy-understood data to support that statement.
I am the same way with Politicians, Religious Folks' Statements, Public Figures, etc.

Even if WWZ sold 700k on epic the low price sales they did many times between 20$ and 15$ plus the 10$ off from epic, well 700k is really weak. (700k again, nothing weird, epic seem to sell a lot of 700k copies on each game).

[alex010300]

Darkie eredeti hozzászólása:

Walker eredeti hozzászólása:

Steam is also trash.
They can ♥♥♥♥ off too.

No wonder you have the toxic badge on display

alex010300 eredeti hozzászólása:

Epic defenders are so dumb.

Not all are. Some actually put out proper valid argumentation, but they are rare.. The same could be said for steam defenders.. (I rather be neutral and objective, albeit I am biased abit toward steam, even if I don't want to be)

Kevyntaris eredeti hozzászólása:

I'd like to say that Eisberg lives for the thrill of disputing the greatness that is Epic.

He does it on Twitter and on Steam, Apparently. There isn't really any benefit.

What I believe the Statement of the Policy meant, in this case, was to prevent things such as Metro Exodus from happening again.

That is neither here nor there. In the Long-run. Speak with your Wallet. The Mass majority will do what they do but that says more about them then it does about you.

Good post.

Bullett00th eredeti hozzászólása:

This is great

We knew this was coming, its been said and suggested for over a year. The thing is it takes time to make such clauses and make them right. Again we don't want everything to become a steam exclusive either.. Some of us wants a free market.. I am here because of the perks steam offer me, not the cheap price (if that was the case I would go gog, humble or epic)

And those Epic defenders are obviously paid shills.

[bigbenisdaman]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

Phoenix Legacy eredeti hozzászólása:

Aha... so we are just to take Epic at their word then, with no evidence to back up their claim of 'omg dem sales man! 2.5x the amount, oh jeez!!'.
Nah, I think I'd rather want actual number to look at or they can take that fine statement and stick it up where the sun don't shine.
Kinda like people trying to push religion on me, gender-politics jabbering, etc. Show me concrete, understandable evidence to me or whatever is said is more or less just useless info.

I have a paraphrased quote from, Einstein I think it was who said it: If you cannot explain a subject in a way that others can understand it, you do not know the subject well enough.
Sure he was referring to stuff like scientific theories and abstract quantum physics-stuff, but still.

It was a joint announcement
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-exodus-sold-2-5x-times-better-on-the-epic-store-than-metro-last-light-on-steam/

If you want to believe Deep Silver or not, that is your prerogative.

So it sold more during launch? first 24 hours? Week? We'll never know. Thinking it also was on a steep sale from epic at launch, after being hyped up on Steam and all the other news sites about the pulling from steam, so had a huge spotliight on it. LL I can't even remember the launch of it.

[DCid]

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

VaiTaPro eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if WWZ sold 700k on epic the low price sales they did many times between 20$ and 15$ plus the 10$ off from epic, well 700k is really weak. (700k again, nothing weird, epic seem to sell a lot of 700k copies on each game).

The 700k was reached before the game was ever on Discount price, about a month-ish after release is when they hit that number, there was also no coupon available at the time either.

Also 700k WWZ sales comes from the developers themselves, the 700k for Metro Exodus is from the playtracker site that is estimating the sales for EGS based on user profiles on Xbox/Microsoft Store.

So you are getting 2 different sources, only 1 being an official source, on 2 different games, with each number being spread out by 9 months.

One things for sure. The sales never hit a million. Which is why Deep Silver has kept their mouths shut soon after. Because they would've looked really stupid bragging about how successful their game was on Epic... When the reality was that the game tanked.

The silence from Epic about future exclusives is telling.

[alex010300]

bigbenisdaman eredeti hozzászólása:

Eisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

It was a joint announcement
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-exodus-sold-2-5x-times-better-on-the-epic-store-than-metro-last-light-on-steam/

If you want to believe Deep Silver or not, that is your prerogative.

So it sold more during launch? first 24 hours? Week? We'll never know. Thinking it also was on a steep sale from epic at launch, after being hyped up on Steam and all the other news sites about the pulling from steam, so had a huge spotliight on it. LL I can't even remember the launch of it.

That statement was for Launch only.