So wait, Is the war still going on or not?

[Darth Vader]

I didn't get it at the end, is russia at war and Nato invaded or not? It becomes really confusing after the bunker part

[Crilat]

No.

[_Grim_Reaper]

no that was the plan originaly,but Yamantu goes of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minds!

[Darth Vader]

Originally posted by NoobMaster69:

no that was the plan originaly,but Yamantu goes of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minds!

So what actually happened? Why were they trying to jam communications?

[captainpatch]

Unless you were cognitive during the Cold War (1945-1985) you most likely don't understand just what "Soviet paranoia" means. Or how the Soviet newspaper "Pravda" -- Russian for Truth -- was anything but truthful. The Soviet government firmly believed that (like the Jack Nicholson line: "You can't handle the Truth!") the Russian people were too dimwitted to comprehend Reality.

The People need to BELIEVE that they are in a state of war -- because Government is given the greatest amount of Power during a war. External threats give Government the greatest amount of control as The People BELIEVE that their government is protecting them from that external threat. And Government keeps The People believing by constantly harping about the threat "the invaders" pose. To keep The People believing, it was necessary to keep them isolated from what was REALLY happening in the outside world.

[Tenshin51]

Originally posted by ✠ General Leichenberg ✠:

So what actually happened? Why were they trying to jam communications?

They are afraid that Metro or shelter in Moscow will be discovered by USA then US will nuke Moscow. People in Moscow believe there is a NATO occupation.

Most of their communication has been cut by nuke and their own jamming equipment.
I believe some people in Hansa knows there are no NATO occupation due to some visits of unlucky people who lives outside Moscow. They are just filling the power vacuum.

[SeZgİn.]

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[Darth Vader]

Originally posted by Tenshin51:

Originally posted by ✠ General Leichenberg ✠:

So what actually happened? Why were they trying to jam communications?

They are afraid that Metro or shelter in Moscow will be discovered by USA then US will nuke Moscow. People in Moscow believe there is a NATO occupation.

Most of their communication has been cut by nuke and their own jamming equipment.
I believe some people in Hansa knows there are no NATO occupation due to some visits of unlucky people who lives outside Moscow. They are just filling the power vacuum.

So there is still a war going on, but no actual occupation, they just want people to stay underground

Originally posted by captainpatch:

Unless you were cognitive during the Cold War (1945-1985) you most likely don't understand just what "Soviet paranoia" means. Or how the Soviet newspaper "Pravda" -- Russian for Truth -- was anything but truthful. The Soviet government firmly believed that (like the Jack Nicholson line: "You can't handle the Truth!") the Russian people were too dimwitted to comprehend Reality.

The People need to BELIEVE that they are in a state of war -- because Government is given the greatest amount of Power during a war. External threats give Government the greatest amount of control as The People BELIEVE that their government is protecting them from that external threat. And Government keeps The People believing by constantly harping about the threat "the invaders" pose. To keep The People believing, it was necessary to keep them isolated from what was REALLY happening in the outside world.

So there is no war, the world has actually gone to ♥♥♥♥ because of the war and the remenants of the governament are trying to control people through fear tactics? Maybe I'll read the novel it might be a bit more clear, I just find that the game kind goes 'There is a war going on and we will explain what happened to them' then they go to the bunked and find that there is no governament there and then just give up trying to find what happen and go around trying to settle somewhere

[Astra Militarum]

Probably not. But the american flag on that bunker is still confusing me. Nobody explained it. Someone said that it was just to scare people away but still... How an american flag ended up in middle of Russia

[Darth Vader]

Originally posted by EXbadsun:

Probably not. But the american flag on that bunker is still confusing me. Nobody explained it. Someone said that it was just to scare people away but still... How an american flag ended up in middle of Russia

Yeah I find the game's narrative really confusing... And from the thread's responses I don't think anyone got it right either because of some contradictions as the game confirms and denies that the war is going on and then just drops that altogether.

Maybe they are saving it for a fourth game

[Astra Militarum]

Originally posted by ✠ General Leichenberg ✠:

Originally posted by EXbadsun:

Probably not. But the american flag on that bunker is still confusing me. Nobody explained it. Someone said that it was just to scare people away but still... How an american flag ended up in middle of Russia

Yeah I find the game's narrative really confusing... And from the thread's responses I don't think anyone got it right either because of some contradictions as the game confirms and denies that the war is going on and then just drops that altogether.

Maybe they are saving it for a fourth game

I think that they are preparing the ground for a game in USA. Sam`s story, american flag, signals from all world in the beggining of the game.

[Waiting to Visit Japan (^.-)]

The real world doesn't make sense, why should a game?

[Darth Vader]

Originally posted by Me:

The real world doesn't make sense, why should a game?

Very deep

[Waiting to Visit Japan (^.-)]

Originally posted by ✠ General Leichenberg ✠:

Originally posted by Me:

The real world doesn't make sense, why should a game?

Very deep

Thank you. I'm being sincere.
Your question is valid, and I admire you for asking.
I'm offering a slightly different perspective.

One reason I enjoy the Metro series is they are "gritty".
I've been on this planet for six decades (yes, old guys play games).
I've worked in 28 countries. Seven languages.
I've been in combat 14 times. I always came out alive. The other guy, not so much.

What games offer, that life often does not, is a second chance.
Many times, too many, the task or outcome in REAL life seemed senseless.
The ability to deal with that, and keep moving forward, having hope, is important to living.

My point... I respect you asking, and offer that maybe it isn't going to make sense.
But the choices you made along the way, and will make in the future, remain meaningful.

.

[captainpatch]

When the Government is trying to make The People BELIEVE there is still a war going on, it is necessary to drop hints of ongoing warfare. The American flags would be highly recognizable and The People would _assume_ it was put there by Americans. But just like in the Real World Iraq War, a coalition (such as NATO) would only have national flags on the coalition members' base of operations. (Such as the American Green Zone in Baghdad.) Outside of those bases, planting a flag in the countryside would be to claim territory for one's nation -- which a coalition would NOT do. If anything, NATO forces would plant NATO flags (if anything) in the middle of nowhere -- HOWEVER, hardly anyone in Russia knows what the NATO flag looks like. (Even most Americans don't know what it looks like either.) The American flag, otoh, practically everyone recognizes.

Soooooo, if you are coming across American flags in the countryside, they were most likely planted there by the Soviet government forces to make people believe that they had been left there by "occupying forces". That, and as a KEEP OUT warning for places where the Government didn't want just anybody wandering into. Like that poison gas depot Anna fell into.

[Waiting to Visit Japan (^.-)]

Perhaps.
Many once felt the ocean was the edge of the world. That's the way it appeared.
Many once thought the Sun went around the Earth. That's the way it appeared.
And so on...

The more tight you hold on, the greater the shock later.

How do YOU want it to "end"?
That's the ending.
That's YOUR ending.
You own the game, it doesn't own you. Or does it?