Denuvo Discussion Thread

[Deep Silver]

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[YorhaUnit8S]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

Games have been lagging way before Denuvo came into existence and the likelyhood of Denuvo being the issue is extremely low.

Well, as much as I respect PC Gamer, they used Demo versus main game, which is not a good way to compare it. Not to mention they use i7 + GTX 1080 config, which is plenty powerful.

We used full games and ran them on a PC that barely, but could run it perfectly fine. Same scenes, same settings, same versions - denuvo version performed obviously worse. To the point where my friend uninstalled the game he bought and continued to play Denuvo free one.

Maybe it is not an issue on good and high end PCs, but I will trust my own results more than those from PC Gamer. Others can choose for themselves, but I advise anyone to wait until release to see benchmarks on different configurations, just to be sure it works fine on yours.

[HiRed_ThuG]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από YorhaUnit8S:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

Games have been lagging way before Denuvo came into existence and the likelyhood of Denuvo being the issue is extremely low.

Well, as much as I respect PC Gamer, they used Demo versus main game, which is not a good way to compare it. Not to mention they use i7 + GTX 1080 config, which is plenty powerful.

We used full games and ran them on a PC that barely, but could run it perfectly fine. Same scenes, same settings, same versions - denuvo version performed obviously worse. To the point where my friend uninstalled the game he bought and continued to play Denuvo free one.

Maybe it is not an issue on good and high end PCs, but I will trust my own results more than those from PC Gamer. Others can choose for themselves, but I advise anyone to wait until release to see benchmarks on different configurations, just to be sure it works fine on yours.

No one but the developers can tell you if Denuvo affects game performance as they can test the exact same versions and are able to isolate Denuvo. So I agree with you that the PC gamer test isn't going to be all that accurate but it's going to be a hell of a lot more accurate than anything you or I can do as the guy who did the benchmarks is a professional benchmarker and at least he doesn't appear to be biased like that Overlord Gaming guy.

[YorhaUnit8S]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

No one but the developers can tell you if Denuvo affects game performance as they can test the exact same versions and are able to isolate Denuvo. So I agree with you that the PC gamer test isn't going to be all that accurate but it's going to be a hell of a lot more accurate than anything that you can do.

Yeah, I agree that both my and their tests are trash and shouldn't be used like an evedence. That was exactly what I tried to show - people should wait for benchmarks to see if they get the performance they want, that what matters in the end.

Mentioned my experiment just to show that in some conditions results may be different.

[A D L]

Of course they're going to say that it doesn't affect performance. Feel free to hand over a DRM-free build to some independent outlets that have the ability to test with and without Denuvo like Digital Foundry. I double dog dare you @Deep Silver

Performance isn't even my primary concern. I want to know that my purchase will be playable in the scenario Denuvo shuts down. It's important to remind people that these are the same guys that created and abandoned SecuROM after only six years. Why in the hell should I trust them? Why in the hell should I trust Deep Silver when they haven't responded to the hundreds of posts asking whether or not they'll remove it after a period of time?

[Quixu]

Genuine question here,

Will the game be locked out and not allow you to play after being disconnected from the internet after a few hours? I got locked out of Far Cry 5 and Sonic Mania (refunded, was a meh game) while playing them a couple hours each on the plane.

[Malekith]

Games with Denuvo eventually get cracked and pirates will not buy games just because of hype in the first days(weeks) of sales. If a game is worth it people will buy it and damage your customers with DRM that affect performance and take some amount of budget (just put this money in promotion ) its not a good idea from my perspective and affect me as a customer in a bad way. Personally, I will buy your game if it will be good ( with denuvo or not ) because developers need to be rewarded for good work even if publisher make wrong decisions .Its just my two cents

[Broken Devil]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rares:

Hello Deep Silver. I have some questions.


1. How can you guarantee that Denuvo won't affect the game's performance? If the game runs poorly on some or most hardware, can we be sure that it's not the DRM's fault?

2. If Denuvo were to blame for poor game performance and this was proven without a doubt, would you consider removing Denuvo from the game?

Deep Silver are literally the only ones that can for sure tell if Denuvo causes performance issues as they can test the performance of the exact game version with and without Denuvo. The developers of Totalwar even made a statement about Denuvos performance.

Will Denuvo affect the performance/FPS of the game?

No.

Despite there being no technical reason it should, to ensure that its implementation doesn’t affect TW: WARHAMMER’s performance we have been running tests internally here at CA and externally at Denuvo to see if FPS is different between Denuvo and non-Denuvo builds.
It isn’t.

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/172116/denuvo-q-a

If implemented correctly, there is no real reason for Denuvo to affect game performance.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από YorhaUnit8S:

Lol. No buy then. My friend already had highly negative experience with FF XV and it's Denuvo. Version without Denuvo performs perfect on his PC, while Denuvo one lags and staggers at the same settings. It's like paying for a performance hogging virus being installed with your game.

Thanks, but I'll now wait until Denuvo is removed before buying. A shame, I looked forward to it.

Games have been lagging way before Denuvo came into existence and the likelyhood of Denuvo being the issue is extremely low.

Anyways:

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/denuvo-drm-performance-final-fantasy-15/

Someone ban this Denuvo Hired Shill, he only spread the lies everywhere where people troll him for good reason!

[HiRed_ThuG]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Bleeding Anus:

Genuine question here,

Will the game be locked out and not allow you to play after being disconnected from the internet after a few hours? I got locked out of Far Cry 5 and Sonic Mania (refunded, was a meh game) while playing them a couple hours each on the plane.

If you got locked out after a few hours it has nothing to do with Denuvo. There's a something else going on if you are being truthful.

[TheKing]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Alexander DeLarge:

Performance isn't even my primary concern. I want to know that my purchase will be playable in the scenario Denuvo shuts down. It's important to remind people that these are the same guys that created and abandoned SecuROM after only six years. Why in the hell should I trust them? Why in the hell should I trust Deep Silver when they haven't responded to the hundreds of posts asking whether or not they'll remove it after a period of time?

Holy crap I didn't even know that, but I looked up wikipedia and whoomp there it is

Now that puts this on entirely new level.....

[Malekith]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από TheKing:

I can't really say I'm a big fan of DRM, I remember when SecuRom was around and gamers were always assured it would have no negative impact on games, and would be impossible to crack, with the result that the games got cracked anyway and today SecuRom games pretty much don't work anymore. Real shame really. I do wonder what the license costs for these things are and if it REALLY of sets anything, like whats the number of people who will buy it instead of waiting for a month when the game gets cracked (which it always does, see Shadow of the Tomb Raider for example or Mass Effect Andromeda). People who can't afford or don't want to pay for the game, won't be put off by having to wait for a bit. Especially with so many game sales today, there is almost no point in pirating anymore, since steam is so much more convenient (Gabe Newell once commented on that https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-28-valve-piracy-a-non-issue-for-steam), so why put up potential hurdles for actual customers?

Totally agree with you !!!

[Broken Devil]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ◠⊙◡⊙◠:

Do you protect PC games from conslows graphics parity?

Metro.Exodus-CPY when?

And this here is the real problem.

Only Denuvo employees like you will see it's like problem, you know nothing about outer world, You only do what your Denuvo Boss says to do!

[HiRed_ThuG]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Broken Devil:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

And this here is the real problem.

Only Denuvo employees like you will see it's like problem, you know nothing about outer world, You only do what your Denuvo Boss says to do!

I'm my own boss Mr. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Broken Devil]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από YorhaUnit8S:

Well, as much as I respect PC Gamer, they used Demo versus main game, which is not a good way to compare it. Not to mention they use i7 + GTX 1080 config, which is plenty powerful.

We used full games and ran them on a PC that barely, but could run it perfectly fine. Same scenes, same settings, same versions - denuvo version performed obviously worse. To the point where my friend uninstalled the game he bought and continued to play Denuvo free one.

Maybe it is not an issue on good and high end PCs, but I will trust my own results more than those from PC Gamer. Others can choose for themselves, but I advise anyone to wait until release to see benchmarks on different configurations, just to be sure it works fine on yours.

No one but the developers can tell you if Denuvo affects game performance as they can test the exact same versions and are able to isolate Denuvo. So I agree with you that the PC gamer test isn't going to be all that accurate but it's going to be a hell of a lot more accurate than anything you or I can do as the guy who did the benchmarks is a professional benchmarker and at least he doesn't appear to be biased like that Overlord Gaming guy.

who developers tell you the truth? are you joking since when they started to speak the godly truths?
I know only one thing, a Company is runs on ENDLESS LIES.

[Broken Devil]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Broken Devil:

Only Denuvo employees like you will see it's like problem, you know nothing about outer world, You only do what your Denuvo Boss says to do!

I'm my own boss Mr. Sorry to disappoint you.

how much they paid you?

[HiRed_ThuG]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Broken Devil:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HiRed_ThuG:

I'm my own boss Mr. Sorry to disappoint you.

how much they paid you?

I have absolutely no connection to Denuvo. I'm a Software/Web developer living in the UK and I get paid a day rate from my clients. But do continue your fantasy.

But seeing as it's fantasy time, how much are GOG paying you to badmouth Denuvo?