What?!?! (Spoiler)

[DezertPunK]

So I just started on my xbonex & got to the part where you find out EVERYTHING from the 1st 2 games is pointless... Everyone you've ever cared about from the last two games are nothing but idiots & nothing you thought was important ment anything at all?!
If this happened in the books I have to wonder if all the readers burned there copies in a fit of rage after reading that.
I'm tempted to stop playing here & just pretend it doesn't exist & go back to my two favorite shooters of all time.

[Sovereign]

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

Try & go back & play the 1st two games without feeling like the story & everything you're doing is completely pointless, you can't. They've turned every character into a bunch of idiots that never managed to notice giant trains & breathable air on one of the billion supply runs on the surface. Just because Miller points it out doesn't make it any better.

Not paying attention I see, if anyone discovered the truth they were executed, if anyone from the outside managed to make it to Moscow they were executed. All communication was jammed, the Watchers have everything contained. And I still don't see how any of this makes the previous games pointless, a lot of important stuff happened in them, your argument doesn't make sense.

[DezertPunK]

Publicado originalmente por Sovereign:

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

Try & go back & play the 1st two games without feeling like the story & everything you're doing is completely pointless, you can't. They've turned every character into a bunch of idiots that never managed to notice giant trains & breathable air on one of the billion supply runs on the surface. Just because Miller points it out doesn't make it any better.

Not paying attention I see, if anyone discovered the truth they were executed, if anyone from the outside managed to make it to Moscow they were executed. All communication was jammed, the Watchers have everything contained. And I still don't see how any of this makes the previous games pointless, a lot of important stuff happened in them, your argument doesn't make sense.

There is no conceivable way that not one person from the metro discovered it without getting caught. It would be statistically impossible for hanza to cover every square inch.

[Sovereign]

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

Publicado originalmente por Sovereign:

Not paying attention I see, if anyone discovered the truth they were executed, if anyone from the outside managed to make it to Moscow they were executed. All communication was jammed, the Watchers have everything contained. And I still don't see how any of this makes the previous games pointless, a lot of important stuff happened in them, your argument doesn't make sense.

There is no conceivable way that not one person from the metro discovered it without getting caught. It would be statistically impossible for hanza to cover every square inch.

Yes but the Order, Hanza, Reich and Red Line combined can, not to mention that barely anyone goes to the surface in the first place and barely anyone who does makes it back.

[DezertPunK]

Publicado originalmente por Sovereign:

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

There is no conceivable way that not one person from the metro discovered it without getting caught. It would be statistically impossible for hanza to cover every square inch.

Yes but the Order, Hanza, Reich and Red Line combined can, not to mention that barely anyone goes to the surface in the first place and barely anyone who does makes it back.

We're getting off course. My original point isn't whether it's possible or not. I'm saying that it's bad writing to ruin everything that came before without a worthwhile payoff. It might be fine for people who just discovered the series or just cared about shooting people but for those of us that cared about the story it's a giant dump on everything we loved about it.

[Sovereign]

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

Publicado originalmente por Sovereign:

Yes but the Order, Hanza, Reich and Red Line combined can, not to mention that barely anyone goes to the surface in the first place and barely anyone who does makes it back.

We're getting off course. My original point isn't whether it's possible or not. I'm saying that it's bad writing to ruin everything that came before without a worthwhile payoff. It might be fine for people who just discovered the series or just cared about shooting people but for those of us that cared about the story it's a giant dump on everything we loved about it.

But it didn't ruin everything that came before.

[Stint Lint Flipliptip]

If people in the Metro knew the truth, you'd be looking at mass chaos followed by potential conflict. Then, you'd have a repeat of Novosibirsk, where the population whittles itself down to the point where it can't defend itself against the mutants and gets wiped out

[DezertPunK]

Publicado originalmente por OUIIJM GUIITPS:

If people in the Metro knew the truth, you'd be looking at mass chaos followed by potential conflict. Then, you'd have a repeat of Novosibirsk, where the population whittles itself down to the point where it can't defend itself against the mutants and gets wiped out

You mean the way everyone was going to war over d6 & everything else before that? They HAVE been whittling themselves down, that was the point of the 1st two games. That's a big part of why this mashes no sense.

[Ah shit,here we go again]

I already did .Can you elaborate what you find pointless and why you think the characters are idiots?I don't see your point of view.They never noticed trains because those areas were heavily guarded off limits zones that Miller specifically warned not to go to.when your co says don't go there 99% of his men will follow his order.There is no breathable air in Moscow so pay attention to the games,don't try to pull out ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of your ass.moscow got a ♥♥♥♥ load of radiation stuck in the ground and buildings because of the exploded and unexploded nukes.the more you stay up there the shorter your life span .they never ventured outside Moscow to notice it never got bombed and if they have hansa patrols would have offed them.
Your companions are really smart and detailed in Exodus if you actually paid attention and spend the 10 extra mins or 20 listening to all their conversations.Some are lacking in the other games but are still good.
The first two games are you acting on the overall known information at the time not pointless!First game: Basic human nature:you find something dangerous you don't understand and which is a potential problem so you try to get rid of it without really putting an effort to see what it really is and trying to understand it.what Khan warns you about!
Second game:realise you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up but get a chance to redeem yourself and save the dark one.you begin to change from a ranger to the guy who we see in Exodus.(og artyom isn't a cowboy who just kills everyone .mostly because of his time with Khan and the dark one).you balance your new perspective of the overall world with the current political situation in the metro aka a war for bioweapons.you didn:'t start it, it was started as a lie by power hungry korbuy but you are a soldier so your duty is to fight.you acted like you could on the circumstances and find out everything is a simulated society in Exodus so hansa can keep a leash.
Why does the us hate Snowden and want to arrest him?everybody knows the gov is trying to keep them in check and spy on them to keep the country how they want but Snowden confirmed it.now he is a get rid of on their list.replace him with anyone who finds out about the world outside Moscow and replace USA with hansa and Bam you got your answer.hansa want stop be the kind with overall power.who would stay in that ♥♥♥♥ hole if the outside world was confirmed to still be alive in areas
Anything else to add?

[DezertPunK]

And by the way guys don't get me wrong, it's a great game. 4A is my favorite developer but whoever wrote the story has no place writing anymore.

[Ah shit,here we go again]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ man.that post was sent this morning.surprised it showed here now.it was supposed to be in the part you said nothing from those games made sense and your companions were idiots.
Edit also about the complain regarding breathable air

[Ah shit,here we go again]

Everyone has valid points.listen to their explanations as well
Hansa was on this long ago.they have the man power to pull it.the order was notified after d6.hansa is known to have most units with high tech equipment but not the best training ,but nothing their patrol cars with guns couldn't solve.read metro 2035 to see it.they were using metro dwellers as well before getting rid of them.

[Ah shit,here we go again]

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

Publicado originalmente por OUIIJM GUIITPS:

If people in the Metro knew the truth, you'd be looking at mass chaos followed by potential conflict. Then, you'd have a repeat of Novosibirsk, where the population whittles itself down to the point where it can't defend itself against the mutants and gets wiped out

You mean the way everyone was going to war over d6 & everything else before that? They HAVE been whittling themselves down, that was the point of the 1st two games. That's a big part of why this mashes no sense.

These are controlled wars you are talking about with trained soldiers.if a mass chaos would ensure everything would go to ♥♥♥♥.not even civillians would stay still.they would need to fight whole stations of civies attempting to flee

[Ah shit,here we go again]

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

And by the way guys don't get me wrong, it's a great game. 4A is my favorite developer but whoever wrote the story has no place writing anymore.

This is an adaptation of metro 2035 which features a good plottwist.You were being manipulated to stay down and play their game while they were doing what they wanted.This story has more detail about the adeventure than the book's ending and proves that there really is life out there.It is literally the book's ending being made into a whole story of its own
Spoiler alert:THE ACTUAL AUTHOR HAS BEEN A MAJOR SCRIPT WRITER FOR THE STORY.You think that if the NATO allies were left untouched they wouldn't try to search Moscow at all?it's been 20 years.In this universe it housed some of the most advanced stuff just like Novosibirsk.They would 100% want some of that tech

[DezertPunK]

Publicado originalmente por Ronald Mc'Donald:

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

And by the way guys don't get me wrong, it's a great game. 4A is my favorite developer but whoever wrote the story has no place writing anymore.

This is an adaptation of metro 2035 which features a good plottwist.You were being manipulated to stay down and play their game while they were doing what they wanted.This story has more detail about the adeventure than the book's ending and proves that there really is life out there.It is literally the book's ending being made into a whole story of its own
Spoiler alert:THE ACTUAL AUTHOR HAS BEEN A MAJOR SCRIPT WRITER FOR THE STORY.You think that if the NATO allies were left untouched they wouldn't try to search Moscow at all?it's been 20 years.In this universe it housed some of the most advanced stuff just like Novosibirsk.They would 100% want some of that tech

This isn't a good plot twist it's the same twist that's been in hundreds of sci-fi novels & films since the 60's. It's a lazy plot device that grates against the entire story leading up to it but if you like it that's fine but if you think it's original in the least I would read more.

[Ah shit,here we go again]

Publicado originalmente por DezertPunK:

Publicado originalmente por Ronald Mc'Donald:

This is an adaptation of metro 2035 which features a good plottwist.You were being manipulated to stay down and play their game while they were doing what they wanted.This story has more detail about the adeventure than the book's ending and proves that there really is life out there.It is literally the book's ending being made into a whole story of its own
Spoiler alert:THE ACTUAL AUTHOR HAS BEEN A MAJOR SCRIPT WRITER FOR THE STORY.You think that if the NATO allies were left untouched they wouldn't try to search Moscow at all?it's been 20 years.In this universe it housed some of the most advanced stuff just like Novosibirsk.They would 100% want some of that tech

This isn't a good plot twist it's the same twist that's been in hundreds of sci-fi novels & films since the 60's. It's a lazy plot device that grates against the entire story leading up to it but if you like it that's fine but if you think it's original in the least I would read more.

ok i won't try to change your opinion or anything else.your opinion is yours and it is up to you to decide what you like the most but tell me one thing:would you have a better idea for a story for exodus that relates to 2035 without bringing up a repeat of last light or 2033?