This vs TRYP vs DRL?

[Mozek]

Can someone please tell me which one is better for a beginner? I need the simulator which will be as close as possible to real thing in terms of controls and physics. Thanks.

[JuniorDiscart]

Hi Mozek

I can't comment much on the other simulators because I haven't personally tried them all in depth yet. I can only highlight what makes Liftoff unique compared to the others based on what I read and see from others discussing them:

• Liftoff has a dedicated tutorial. With our 1.5.0 update, we shipped a whole new interactive tutorial that will guide you from learning the inputs to flying some easier tracks. I know Tryp doesn't have a tutorial, not sure about DRL.
  
• Liftoff does the physics a little different compared to many others: we do a full stack simulation of as much parameters as possible that can run in real-time where each part contributes to the setup as a whole. As a result, the feeling of your setup fully depends on the parts you've picked and how you tuned it, as it would in real life. Other sims basically allow you to still adjust several factors about a setup physics-wise, like drag and gravity, which may make it fly better or easier on a personal level, but not necessarily more realistic.
  
• Liftoff internally features a fully functional flight controller. By default, this flight controller is tuned automatically based on the setup, but as a user, you can override this if you'd like to train this skill as well. We have some diagnostic tools available in-game as well to help you determine which axis or element still needs tuning.
  
• There's a wide range of parts and levels available, and with the integration of the Steam Workshop, a lot of player created content is also available. So you'll not run out of content quickly to practice on.

These are just the major highlights, but there's plenty of material to be found online to make a more informed decision about your purchase.

[Mozek]

Originally posted by JuniorDiscart:

Hi Mozek

I can't comment much on the other simulators because I haven't personally tried them all in depth yet. I can only highlight what makes Liftoff unique compared to the others based on what I read and see from others discussing them:

• Liftoff has a dedicated tutorial. With our 1.5.0 update, we shipped a whole new interactive tutorial that will guide you from learning the inputs to flying some easier tracks. I know Tryp doesn't have a tutorial, not sure about DRL.
  
• Liftoff does the physics a little different compared to many others: we do a full stack simulation of as much parameters as possible that can run in real-time where each part contributes to the setup as a whole. As a result, the feeling of your setup fully depends on the parts you've picked and how you tuned it, as it would in real life. Other sims basically allow you to still adjust several factors about a setup physics-wise, like drag and gravity, which may make it fly better or easier on a personal level, but not necessarily more realistic.
  
• Liftoff internally features a fully functional flight controller. By default, this flight controller is tuned automatically based on the setup, but as a user, you can override this if you'd like to train this skill as well. We have some diagnostic tools available in-game as well to help you determine which axis or element still needs tuning.
  
• There's a wide range of parts and levels available, and with the integration of the Steam Workshop, a lot of player created content is also available. So you'll not run out of content quickly to practice on.

These are just the major highlights, but there's plenty of material to be found online to make a more informed decision about your purchase.

Thank you for the answer!

[Mozek]

Originally posted by JuniorDiscart:

Hi Mozek

I can't comment much on the other simulators because I haven't personally tried them all in depth yet. I can only highlight what makes Liftoff unique compared to the others based on what I read and see from others discussing them:

• Liftoff has a dedicated tutorial. With our 1.5.0 update, we shipped a whole new interactive tutorial that will guide you from learning the inputs to flying some easier tracks. I know Tryp doesn't have a tutorial, not sure about DRL.
  
• Liftoff does the physics a little different compared to many others: we do a full stack simulation of as much parameters as possible that can run in real-time where each part contributes to the setup as a whole. As a result, the feeling of your setup fully depends on the parts you've picked and how you tuned it, as it would in real life. Other sims basically allow you to still adjust several factors about a setup physics-wise, like drag and gravity, which may make it fly better or easier on a personal level, but not necessarily more realistic.
  
• Liftoff internally features a fully functional flight controller. By default, this flight controller is tuned automatically based on the setup, but as a user, you can override this if you'd like to train this skill as well. We have some diagnostic tools available in-game as well to help you determine which axis or element still needs tuning.
  
• There's a wide range of parts and levels available, and with the integration of the Steam Workshop, a lot of player created content is also available. So you'll not run out of content quickly to practice on.

These are just the major highlights, but there's plenty of material to be found online to make a more informed decision about your purchase.

Forgot to ask, can you please explain the difference between Liftoff and Liftoff Micro Drones? Is the latter just a DLC for the main game? Or are they separate games? If so, which one should I get as a beginner then?

[JuniorDiscart]

Originally posted by Mozek:

Forgot to ask, can you please explain the difference between Liftoff and Liftoff Micro Drones? Is the latter just a DLC for the main game? Or are they separate games? If so, which one should I get as a beginner then?

They're separate products, so Liftoff: Micro Drones is its own fully fledged product. You can get either of them and get a good time, or both (they're in a bundle if you want a small discount on the joint purchase).

Liftoff FPV was released on 2018 (and we're still pushing out updates), but Liftoff: Micro Drones is still in Early Access, meaning not all features we'd love to have are available yet. If you want to get started right now, then definitely Liftoff FPV. It has by far the largest base of resources to get you started as well as a larger multiplayer community to get to know people.

[kerestyche]

If you are a complete beginner who never flown Acro before it does not really matter which sim you pick. The difficulty you will be facing as a newbie is learning fundamentals of drone movement and stick inputs. It will take tens if not hundreds of hours of flying before the effectiveness of a simulator as a learning tool will start being affected by the intricacies of physics model.

One exception to the above is if you are going to fly light drones IRL. For anything light and small (1/2/3-cell drones), velocidrone is leagues ahead (comparing to liftoff, uncrashed, and DRL).

Perhaps with more information about your goals it will be easier to find a sim which is the best match for you. No sim is a 100% reproduction of real life, but they differ in how far they go with drone configuration, level design, damage model etc.

[Twisted Carbon]

I prefer liftoff over tryp. I have 6 hours in tryp and nearly 200 hours in liftoff, so what does that tell you. My laptop cannot handle tryp very well, but even at the lower settings the drone doesn't feel responsive. Watch a few Infinity loops live streams with the pilot Heads, he has flown almost all sims and has opinion on all of them.

[Mozek]

Originally posted by JuniorDiscart:

Originally posted by Mozek:

Forgot to ask, can you please explain the difference between Liftoff and Liftoff Micro Drones? Is the latter just a DLC for the main game? Or are they separate games? If so, which one should I get as a beginner then?

They're separate products, so Liftoff: Micro Drones is its own fully fledged product. You can get either of them and get a good time, or both (they're in a bundle if you want a small discount on the joint purchase).

Liftoff FPV was released on 2018 (and we're still pushing out updates), but Liftoff: Micro Drones is still in Early Access, meaning not all features we'd love to have are available yet. If you want to get started right now, then definitely Liftoff FPV. It has by far the largest base of resources to get you started as well as a larger multiplayer community to get to know people.

Thank you for your help. Will get the game :)

[Mozek]

Originally posted by kerestyche:

If you are a complete beginner who never flown Acro before it does not really matter which sim you pick. The difficulty you will be facing as a newbie is learning fundamentals of drone movement and stick inputs. It will take tens if not hundreds of hours of flying before the effectiveness of a simulator as a learning tool will start being affected by the intricacies of physics model.

One exception to the above is if you are going to fly light drones IRL. For anything light and small (1/2/3-cell drones), velocidrone is leagues ahead (comparing to liftoff, uncrashed, and DRL).

Perhaps with more information about your goals it will be easier to find a sim which is the best match for you. No sim is a 100% reproduction of real life, but they differ in how far they go with drone configuration, level design, damage model etc.

Uhm about the goals let's just say I'm from Ukraine. So basically I need something that will be as close to real drone handling, don't care much for graphics, freestyle and other stuff. Handling and physics are the most important things for me.

Why is Velocidrone leagues ahead compared to Liftoff?

[Mozek]

Originally posted by Twisted Carbon:

I prefer liftoff over tryp. I have 6 hours in tryp and nearly 200 hours in liftoff, so what does that tell you. My laptop cannot handle tryp very well, but even at the lower settings the drone doesn't feel responsive. Watch a few Infinity loops live streams with the pilot Heads, he has flown almost all sims and has opinion on all of them.

Thank you, will check that out.

[LuGus Studios]

We can discuss personal opinions, and they might differ depending on who you ask, however you could look at factual data:

- Based on available data, Liftoff is the most used FPV sim on Steam by a large margin.
- It currently has a 94% postitive rating based on thousands of reviews.
- It's been around since 2015, an FPV sim can lot remain relevant for +7 years if it does not offer an authentic experience.
- It is the only FPV sim that openly shares what (and how) it simulates. Other sims are not transparent about this.
- Considering you're Ukranian; Liftoff is the only sim that has openly shown support for Ukraine, it supports a wide range of Ukranian organistions. Liftoff is also the only sim available in Ukranian.

[Mozek]

Originally posted by LuGus Studios:

We can discuss personal opinions, and they might differ depending on who you ask, however you could look at factual data:

- Based on available data, Liftoff is the most used FPV sim on Steam by a large margin.
- It currently has a 94% postitive rating based on thousands of reviews.
- It's been around since 2015, an FPV sim can lot remain relevant for +7 years if it does not offer an authentic experience.
- It is the only FPV sim that openly shares what (and how) it simulates. Other sims are not transparent about this.
- Considering you're Ukranian; Liftoff is the only sim that has openly shown support for Ukraine, it supports a wide range of Ukranian organistions. Liftoff is also the only sim available in Ukranian.

I've already bought (/was gifted) Liftoff, thank you both for your replies and your support of Ukraine, we really appreciate it :)

[RaginSam]

Velocidrone and Liftoff are by far my favorites. I either own it or have tried pretty much every drone sim that's available.

Velocidrone and Liftoff both have a decent amount of maps, good UI, you can mess with building drones and experiment, and the physics feel really nice. Whatever you can do in the sim you can do in real life. It won't necessarily feel exactly the same, but the movements on your gimbals will be.

Tryp looks great, runs pretty good when you scale it down, but it has a lot of bugs.

DCL is good for racing, and is a bit floaty which helps when learning and trying not to crash.

DRL hands down has the best map editor, but doesn't have a ton of assets. Trying to edit in every other sim is frustrating and not intuitive at all. It's like an Alien designed that aspect of all the other sims... it's bizarre. It's also a little on the floaty side.