Air Mode

[MatteKarla]

When I drop throttle to min then I still regain some control, but in real life with BetaFlight and RaceFlight I have full controll.
If I for example drop throttle and roll, then center sticks it continues to roll for a while. Could you please make it so that it beaves like when I have throttle?
v0.6.10

[CareBear]

Trim you throttle few steps up and you'll have airmode.

[Boof69]

Sounds like you need better PIDs. Have you tried any of the posted PIDs in the "Acro PIDs" thread?

[MatteKarla]

If I trim it a few seps up it gives to much throttle compared to real life, then it's like if you set min-throttle to over 1100, when you normally have something like 1030-1040.

The pids are fine on all levels of throttle except min throttle.

[Boof69]

What kind of transmitter are you working with?

[MatteKarla]

Taranis.

Tried the most used pids, and it worked like a charm.
Pitch [2] [2.2] [0.02]
Roll [1.8] [2.3] [0.02]
Yaw [1] [1.2] [0.02]

I always found liftoff hard to tune pids. Much easier on a real quad :-) How awesome would it be to get true blackbox-data so you can anlyze it

[CareBear]

Or what if there would be a option to disable pid adjustment and use defaults(which would never shake no matter what setup you are running)?

[LuGus Studios]

I don't completely understand everything you are saying, but from what I can read you are questioning the realism of the flight behaviour and physics.

We recently wrote a blogpost about this:
http://www.liftoff-game.com/2016/09/17/physics-and-flight-behaviour/

[TEH TARIK]

Yes. Please implement airmode. It's December 2016 lol but here's a rough explanation - Airmode is basically a feature in BetaFlight that allows the quad to have full control in the air while the throttle is at 0. Without airmode, the quad does not retain it's position in the air while the throttle is at 0.

Hotprops has this. Hotprops even has RaceFlight and BetaFlight "software" on board and it's free. I really want LiftOff to be the best Simulator especially since it comes with a price tag. The best sim doesn't need to have the most features. It just needs to feel the most realistic.

[BlistovMHz]

I don't understand how Liftoff is so far behind. Airmode has been around a while. As has Horizon, and others. WTF? Why are they not just using the Betaflight code internally and calling it a day? Real world experience right?
Also, components limited, outdated, missing specs. Props only come in a few very old flavours... etc. What's going on? This is feeling like Rust!

[AKZEL]

I'm throwing myself into this. I don't have a real fpv racer (yet), only a Hubsan X4 and about 6 hours in Liftoff. I think I want the opposite of what OP is asking for: Less control when the throttle is at 0 percent.

I might be completely off here since I've never flown a quad in acro mode IRL but I was under the impression that zero throttle meant (close to) zero control?

Example, when my quad is on the ground in Liftoff, and I only move the pitch/roll stick, the motors start to spin and the quad drifts/flips. I'm using a Fs-i6 and stock PIDs.

I guess what I'm really asking is: In real life, would the motors start to spin when moving the pitch/roll-stick even if the throttle was at 0%..?

[Boof69]

If you are flying acro "Airmode" is a big help if not essential. Imagine you roll inverted. If your motors are spinning you will be driven into the ground so you would naturally want to be at 0 throttle. If so any input you try to use to right yourself will not work until you raise the throttle. With Airmode your motors will have near full authority at zero throttle when you give the stick input. Imagin if your car could only steer if you were giving it a lot of throttle. Essentially airmode gives the ability to manuver without throttle.

[Selatcia]

i just trim my throttle up on my transmiter a few clicks until the motors spin, simple. but the option would be nice.