EARTH DEFENSE FORCE 4.1 The Shadow of New Despair

EARTH DEFENSE FORCE 4.1 The Shadow of New Despair

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Bud Studder Jul 19, 2016 @ 9:53am
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH RETARIUS
THEY KEEP GRABBING ME THROUGH THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WALL AND I CANT DO ♥♥♥♥ ABOUT THEM
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Cellardoor Jul 19, 2016 @ 9:56am 
Pay attention to where they are, and don't hang around to get webbed. Don't turn your back on them and stand around waiting to be webbed.

Shoot them dead.
MrUnimport Jul 19, 2016 @ 10:32am 
Roll like crazy. Don't run straight towards them. Yes it's complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that they can hit you through walls.

Once upon a time you had to kill a Retiarius in order to detach its web. Now you just have to shoot it a bit. Keep up the fight, soldier.
ImHelping Jul 19, 2016 @ 11:03am 
Seems stronger weapons can make them drop the threads, I know if I shoot them in the face enough they will drop the link even if they didn't die.

Also, they used to be MUCH worse and literally grab you through walls and mountains. Right now, they still need a mostly clear opening to grab you (though once they grab you, then ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clipping).

As a further heads up, buildings they have webs attached to can't be destroyed. They are also less prone to spam web attacks if you destroy their (really durable) webs

Those jerks are a big early game hurdle, to be fair.

They have a **** load of health compared to the majority of enemies you will see at that point of the game, as well as you likely still having just your starting tier weaponry on top. Even a quick dip into hard mode for a 600 damage rocket launcher, will take two-three direct hits to kill them with on Normal.

Fortunatly once you get close enough, they are big victims to hitstun on most difficulties. As long as you are shooting them in the face, they won't be doing much to you.

I won't make light of your frustration with these guys because we have all been there, and they really are one of the bigger early game meatwalls. But things will turn out okay.
Last edited by ImHelping; Jul 19, 2016 @ 11:07am
Stranger Jul 19, 2016 @ 11:09am 
Blow up the buildings to get a good line of sight on them, also friends help watch your back. If caught keep blasting it till it dies, if ya got pulled in completely and stuck on the giant web then shoot it till it breaks, may take a while.

Keep calm and pay attention to your radar as well as surroundings. Learn, adapt, if something doesn't work then try a new method/class. Tanks are a wonderful thing after all.
crossmr May 25, 2019 @ 12:43am 
Originally posted by Cellardoor:
Pay attention to where they are, and don't hang around to get webbed. Don't turn your back on them and stand around waiting to be webbed.

Shoot them dead.
Sorry but no..that's bs. They're not only hitting you through walls, they're hitting you across the map through walls. There is a mission where there is a ton of them, and you can't get a shot in edgewise without being hit by them, and once they hit you, like that's it. There doesn't seem to be anyway to break free. So unless they're close, you have no time to kill them before you die
Zeddy May 25, 2019 @ 7:41am 
The webs don't have a specific property where they go through walls, but if your framerate is had they'll do it anyway
Cop Unit 12 May 27, 2019 @ 8:45am 
Their webs can phase through walls but only if the tip of their web does not hit anything. This the same for Kings, silvers and normal spiders. All buildings in EDF 4.1 have 4 hit zones. 2 on the inside and 2 on the outside. Tunnels have 2 hit zones. This was added to help with all spider like insects. 2025 from what I heard only had 1 hit zone for tunnels and 2 for buildings.

TLDR Be thankful they can't directly hit you with the tips of their webs through a house.
crossmr May 27, 2019 @ 9:27pm 
I dunno.. I played that level multiple times in order to beat it (napalm finally did it) and I was in some pretty tight streets and the webs were coming down all around me. More than once, I was in an alley and multiple webs came down around me and one of them hit me. I got stuck on buildings sometimes too. The spiders themselves were really far away. Even with 225 health or so, I would die before I was pulled to the spider because it was so far. The only way I could beat that was to stay really far away and launch napalm constantly, almost to the point they were out of sight.
Zephyr May 29, 2019 @ 11:16pm 
225 armor is low. You shouldn't have 225 armor at that point of the game even with Wing Diver, I think. Even on easy. You mentioned napalm, so I assume you play Ranger. Napalm isn't very adapted to that mission. I would go with an assault rifle and either a stringer, or a rocket launcher.

Progress slowly, stay at maximum range unless forced to do otherwise, and snipe them from afar. If you have stuff coming near you, you pull the assault rifle. Same if you are grabbed, as your assault rifle does a lot of DPS allowing you to hit a retiarius enough to make it let you go(They drop you once you do enough damage to them). The big danger is getting pulled in dangerous territory and chain grabbed.

Once you have cleared most of the things on your road. You move to the back between the house to take out the tunnel, which is the true objective. Once the tunnel is gone, it's just a matter of mopping up what remains. It's an annoying mission, to be sure.

Like it was mentioned, the way it works is as follow. The spider spit projectiles(the tip of the webs are the actual projectiles) toward your direction. The projectiles can't pass through walls. The problem is, those projectiles are affected by gravity and will fall down. From there, the web will remain between the tip and the spider itself. Those webs CAN pass through walls. Meaning if the spider shot the projectile over a building, and behind you, the web will extend through anything from the tip to the spider. If the web clips you, you are grabbed. The web guns for the air raiders work the same way.

It's semantics, really, but spiders can't shoot through walls, it's just the tether between point A and point B which pass through structures. For all intents and purposes, it's like they shoot through walls.

Oh yeah, a note on napalm. Don't attach it to the target, it won't do much damage that way. Attach it to a structure or piece of geometry so the flame will hit in the direction you want it to hit. So if you want to grill a retiarius, fire it on the ground under it, or on a building so the fire burn sideway toward it. Napalm is better suited to create walls of fire to prevent the ennemies from going through without dying, and particularly good in caves for that reason.
Zeddy May 30, 2019 @ 2:50am 
Originally posted by Zephyr:
225 armor is low. You shouldn't have 225 armor at that point of the game even with Wing Diver, I think. Even on easy. You mentioned napalm, so I assume you play Ranger. Napalm isn't very adapted to that mission. I would go with an assault rifle and either a stringer, or a rocket launcher.
Which level are we talking about, exactly? Retarius appear on mission 4.
crossmr May 30, 2019 @ 4:22am 
Originally posted by Zeddy:
Originally posted by Zephyr:
225 armor is low. You shouldn't have 225 armor at that point of the game even with Wing Diver, I think. Even on easy. You mentioned napalm, so I assume you play Ranger. Napalm isn't very adapted to that mission. I would go with an assault rifle and either a stringer, or a rocket launcher.
Which level are we talking about, exactly? Retarius appear on mission 4.
Yeah it was mission 4 or 5..the one that is basically just spiders. I had an assault rifle/stinger but it was useless. It took way too many shots with a stinger to kill the spider or take out the nests. I could barely free 1 wing diver before the rest died.
Zephyr May 30, 2019 @ 12:54pm 
Ok, so that wasn't the mission I was thinking of. The one I was thinking of is way later... And it's actually an annoying one. Ignore my comments about lack of armor.

Mission 4 is easy. It's only 7 spiders, the terrain is to your advantage, and even if you are grabbed, you have very little chances of being chain grabbed. You also can free wing divers to help a bit, even if they don't do much honestly. And I was saying stringer and not stinger.

You can totally do it without getting hit at all.

Mission 5 is a bit more annoying. As you have ants thrown into the mix and it's more cramped. Still in solo ants should be dispatched with ease, and you can focus fire on the spiders with your assault rifle. I think at that point you may even be able to use the bound gun if you found was which is a decent assault rifle in the special section.
crossmr May 31, 2019 @ 12:01am 
Originally posted by Zephyr:
Ok, so that wasn't the mission I was thinking of. The one I was thinking of is way later... And it's actually an annoying one. Ignore my comments about lack of armor.

Mission 4 is easy. It's only 7 spiders, the terrain is to your advantage, and even if you are grabbed, you have very little chances of being chain grabbed. You also can free wing divers to help a bit, even if they don't do much honestly. And I was saying stringer and not stinger.

You can totally do it without getting hit at all.

Mission 5 is a bit more annoying. As you have ants thrown into the mix and it's more cramped. Still in solo ants should be dispatched with ease, and you can focus fire on the spiders with your assault rifle. I think at that point you may even be able to use the bound gun if you found was which is a decent assault rifle in the special section.
Mission 5 was the hard one, and I died multiple times. I repeatedly got grabbed when I was in an an alley so it was really hard to target the spider grabbing me and more than once I got grabbed by a spider that was fully on the other side of the map. I switched to napalm and that multi missile launcher than shoots up to 30 missiles. Since then I haven't switched guns.
Zeddy May 31, 2019 @ 2:42pm 
I was looking for something to record an interesting run in, and this topic was as good an excuse as any. First I tried Ranger with AF20 and Stingray M4. Went fine. Was well over 7 minutes, didn't seem like a fun video. To make sure there wasn't some kinda weapon inbalance with difficulties, and because you didn't specify which difficulty you were playing on, I also did the runs with AF14/Stingray M1 on Normal, and AF16/Goliath D on Hard, with easier results, all with 200 HP.

To make it interesting, I decided to go in as a Fencer with no mobilty gear. The gatlings are pretty powerful, I'd say 3-4 times as powerful as AF20, but they're also highly inaccurate and slow me down a lot, it was definitely an easier run with Ranger, but I had fun. The route shown in the video will work no matter which class you use. In short, just free the wing divers, don't advance faster than your men, move so you only have line of sight one one Retarius at a time (and, more importantly, only one Retarius has line of sight on you). Any attack at all will stunlock Retarius, so just keep the pressure on them, trusting your men to take care of the rabble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUHQdLNm75Q

An important thing to keep in mind is that AI only ever aggro towards whoever is closer, so as long as you keep one NPC between you and the Retarius, you're pretty much good.
Zephyr May 31, 2019 @ 2:51pm 
Assuming you don't keep them really between you and the spider, because otherwise, it may shoot over them and hit you...
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