Did Salieri really want Frank dead?

[pauldiazberrio]

I ask because he'd known Frank for over twenty years. Surely he must've known the man well enough to tell he was growing increasingly uncomfortable with how things were turning out. Did he want to liquidate Frank, or did he want to let him get away, using his betrayal as a cover to allow him to escape the life he'd gotten tired of?

[dandywise]

***SPOILERS*** later in the game Sam said that they caught him in Europe,they DID kill him.

[V I D A L]

It's not that simple. I guess being the Don back then means following the rules/core no matter what.. Means ordering your best friend killed if he betrays the family even if you don't want to. You gotta stick to it otherwise the whole system falls.

[dimi]

Being in "family" means you're in it for life or you get whacked. Once you betray that loyalty, you're done. As Vidal said, if you compromise with someone, then the whole organization fails, you appear weak and someone will come for you. It's a doggy dog world out there.

[pauldiazberrio]

Originally posted by dimi:

Being in "family" means you're in it for life or you get whacked. Once you betray that loyalty, you're done. As Vidal said, if you compromise with someone, then the whole organization fails, you appear weak and someone will come for you. It's a doggy dog world out there.

Okay. I just find it odd that Salieri sent the man who was going to spare Frank's life. If I was a Don, I would know who is on friendly terms and who isn't. Sam alluded to this by telling Tommy that he should've killed Michelle for him because he was too human. How come Salieri didn't follow the same logic?

[dimi]

Originally posted by pauldiazberrio:

Originally posted by dimi:

Being in "family" means you're in it for life or you get whacked. Once you betray that loyalty, you're done. As Vidal said, if you compromise with someone, then the whole organization fails, you appear weak and someone will come for you. It's a doggy dog world out there.

Okay. I just find it odd that Salieri sent the man who was going to spare Frank's life. If I was a Don, I would know who is on friendly terms and who isn't. Sam alluded to this by telling Tommy that he should've killed Michelle for him because he was too human. How come Salieri didn't follow the same logic?

To be frank (pun intended) my memory of the story is not great. I haven't played the game for some time now, so I can't remember the Salieri's reaction to Tommy letting Michelle away. Iirc Paulie went with Tommy to whack Frank, so they didn't trust Tommy 100% (although you could argue that it was just a two man job or something). Again, I can't remember the story chronologically, but maybe Salieri though he could trust Tommy after a few high profile jobs. I can't remember when Tommy saved Salieri's life, before or after letting Frank go. With all the problems their "family" had, I guess some mistakes were bound to happen. Salieri is human after all and maybe he couldn't afford to just get Tommy killed after one slipup.

Edit: based on this, they were pretty knee deep in ♥♥♥♥, Salieri even mentions that Sam can't even stand up, so he didn't really have anybody else to do the job.
https://youtu.be/2XAkNjpd7eY

[Agent Orange #MAGA_2024]

In this business it's all about setting a precedent. You can't let people like that leave...others would turn on you again if they see this behavior isn't punished.

[Agent Orange #MAGA_2024]

Originally posted by pauldiazberrio:

Originally posted by dimi:

Being in "family" means you're in it for life or you get whacked. Once you betray that loyalty, you're done. As Vidal said, if you compromise with someone, then the whole organization fails, you appear weak and someone will come for you. It's a doggy dog world out there.

Okay. I just find it odd that Salieri sent the man who was going to spare Frank's life. If I was a Don, I would know who is on friendly terms and who isn't. Sam alluded to this by telling Tommy that he should've killed Michelle for him because he was too human. How come Salieri didn't follow the same logic?

I take your point, but at that time, you will gain nothing by just putting a bullet in Tommy's head. I mean you want to take your time and figure what else has Tom been doing, gather information on him.
When they found Michelle again, they could have just kill her and kill Tommy; instead they did the smart thing and interogated her and found about Frank.

And the situation is different as well. Everybody knew Frank left and was a traitor (as in other families knew). But it wasn't public knowledge that Tommy betrayed Salieri. In that case, you just use Tommy as long as you can, until he has no use anymore.

[Edward]

What are you guys saying, at least if you played the game and forgot the ending, please re-watch it on youtube at the very least so you can answer accordingly and not make speculations on the ending and who knew and who did what.

So the Don wanted Frank dead because Frank broke the Omerta, he betrayed the Don by selling them out to the cops, that's why later on Frank was in the process of witness protection. When Tommy confronted Frank at the airport Frank explained to Tom that the cops were blackmailing him and keeping his family hostage basically. Those cops were dirty working for Morello the whole time and since Tom and Paulie killed Billy that kid before all this, that kid's father was a councilor basically the father was an associate of Morello and got where he was thanks to Morello. All this is connected, if you pay attention to the ending of the game you can figure this out on your own.

Now going forward with the death of Paulie and Tommy.
Tommy and Paulie decided to go rob a bank to make more money for themselves since they figured out that Don Salieri lied to them about the diamonds which were located in the cigar boxes that Tommy stole from the Port. That was one of the reasons they went against Tommy and killed Paulie too. The other reasons were because members of the Salieri family found the girl Michelle by accident, she came back to the city, so because they found her alive they figured maybe Tommy didn't kill Frank either. They eventually found Frank and killed him.

Let's see how they remake the whole story in the remake of the original game. Maybe we'll get some more details of the story how they found Frank or the girl and the other interesting bits and pieces that the original game didn't show.