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kaay Jul 27, 2016 @ 8:34pm
Are you Serious?
Phantom Brave...PC????
PC????....Seriously?
This has to be the single worst port (graphically) that ive seen so far.
Fuzzy pixely disgustingly low res chars floating on a much higher resolution background.....seriously even ff7 port did better than that and didnt have the nerve to call itself ff7 "PC"....unless by PC you mean "Pathetic Cr*p"

Dont get me wrong, i think Phantom Brave was a fine game on the console where i played it, but this port is just ugly.


Last edited by kaay; Mar 30, 2017 @ 8:05pm
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Originally posted by theNightStar:
Originally posted by kaay:
*sigh, this is one of the threads i feel really sorry for starting.
It was a thread started out of frustration over the way old game ports are handled, and because the tone of my original post was so aggressive, its probably not surprising that this thread turned into a hateful troll fest, i guess i should take the blame for the mess this thread turned into.

In my opinion, when porting an old console game to the PC (or any other platform for that matter), one should make sure that the port looks and plays the same as the original looked and played on its original platform....i mean thats the whole point of a port isnt it?

This is not a matter of "graphics are more important than gameplay", and its not a matter of PC elitism, its just a matter of preserving the look and feel of a game.
The emulator scene has made it very clear many years ago, that hand drawn 2d graphics dont port well to a PC monitor.
There was a huge effort invested in solving this problem, and many different solutions (none of them perfect) were created.
So forgive me for being upset over the fact that ports like this one (and many others), decided to ignore all the problems and all the solutions, and come out with a bare bones port that does NOT do the original any justice, unless you never played this on a CRT TV that is, in which case you dont even know what im talking about.

Regardless, i apologize for this thread and i wish a moderator would close it, because its obvious nothing constructive will come out of it.

I am legitimately glad that you're ashamed. Good. You should be.

Your thread was incredibly stupid from the get go, your complaints were idiotic at best, you made yourself look like an incredibly moronic fool, a great deal of people laughed at your stupidity and you continued to dig the hole deeper by acting like an indignant, crybaby 8 year old when people were rightfully calling you out for your opinion being disrespectful, ignorant, horribly skewed from reality, and you proving to everyone that you were a fool who had no idea WHAT on earth he was talking about.

You acted like an immature, ignorant, disrespectful, argumentative, self-rightous, whiny, smug, brainless, clueless child whose complaints were stupid then and they are stupid now. You threw a smug little hissyfit over missing the entie point and the simplest concepts of what a port is and how they're even made or even what they are before you cried like a child and acted like an arrogant little punk towards everyone else who are legitimately smarter and more informed than you, over your own lack of basic understanding. There is no better justice for your stupidity and your stupid post than your incredible idiocy and the HORRIBLE way you dealt with it to be immortalized and mocked forever.

It should never go away. Future civilizations should study this incredibly stupid thread for years to come, and pick it apart mercilessly until the end of time. I'm glad you stil feel bad about it and that you'll continue to pay for it. You deserve all of the frustration, irritation, embarassment and ridicule you incurred and still get.

I sincerely hope you wake up every day, 8 years from now thinking about this exceptionally dumb thread that you created and made worse and what a moron you were and how generations will continue to revive this thread and laugh at the moron who threw a hissyfit and whined and dug his claws in a stupid thread about stupid things because he had no friggin idea what the difference between a port and a remake even WAS before he shot off his ignorant mouth, insulted everyone else and made himself look like one of the biggest imbiciles on a Steam forum, ever.

This is who and what you are. This thread represents all the dumb little children who whine and complain about things they're entirely wrong about and are so awful as a person that they get smug and selfishisly deluded instead of apologizing for being an idiot about it. Something you STILL won't complately do, since you still refuse to admit that you were and are 100% wrong about everything you said.

It's set in stone, forever, recorded for all time, you can never take it back or make it go away. This is you in the mirror with the dunce cap on and the butt of a million jokes. You are the pure representation of every two-bit deluded, ignroant little idiot kid on the internet who gets eternally mocked and laughed at as the example you brought on yourself.

This is a port, not an enhancement and it pretty much looks like the original did. The port had no ambitions to be anything more than a port. You whined and cried about literally nothing. Everything you said was and is wrong, and you were a tantrum throwing, smug, self-serving, deluded, arrogant, insulting, little child about it That is the kind of trait that I strongly doubt someone with as small as an intellect and as bad as a personality as yours is capable of learning from without something humilating like this happening so that you never forget it and the embarassment you brought on yourself.

So yes, something good WILL come from this thread. It will serve as a constant reminder to you, what kind of person you are and how what you represent should never be forgotten. Own that shame. Every single inch of it.
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kaay Jul 29, 2016 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by Dakobah:
adjust your resolution troll
For your info, adjusting the resolution will not change anything because the graphics are scaled anyway.
The only way to make a difference is play on a small window.
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HEHEHeheh.he.h Jul 29, 2016 @ 6:06pm 
But most important thing is Gameplay.2nd there is different taste for game art style and every one haves they own opinion.Jea it is not perfect but this is not even close worst. But i am little irritated how this seems end of the world to you. This is srpg with pixel art cutscenes and you talk this games graphics? This is not like Skyrim where you can look any direction and take nice screenshot of beautiful World (i think it is meh and mods have done look lot better) and you talk this is bad Port? Most people do talk port is bad if controlls,options,and gameplay is bad and it haves bugs but you cry about graphics and that is why it is bad and how put pc in the end is bad?I mean it is not good but how it makes it worst.

Like i do not understand Why you cry about graphics of pixel game and how do you think it makes it better?If you think it needs better graphics go mod or ask some one do it like skyrim.You did say it is not big deal so go.

I am sorry but i am thired and do not take this to hard and that is just my stupid opinion.
#32
davidb11 Jul 29, 2016 @ 6:55pm 
Look, Kaay, you're making it obvious you're trollng now.
Okay. None of your new complaints make sense according to the English Language.
#33
TBC Jul 29, 2016 @ 10:35pm 
Originally posted by SakuraKoi:
I forgot that a Port is the same as a HD Remaster... oh wait
Best comment lol. Gotta love the angry idiots like OP.

Originally posted by kaay:
just take care you dont drop your pacifiers in your night bowl while screaming so loud.
*watches your pacifier drop*
Last edited by TBC; Jul 29, 2016 @ 10:39pm
#34
AcidVile Jul 30, 2016 @ 6:02am 
You can make the sprites look more crisp and nicer in the setting.
#35
KaiTenSatsuma Jul 31, 2016 @ 3:54pm 
Originally posted by kaay:
Phantom Brave...PC????
PC????....Seriously?
This has to be the single worst port (graphically) that ive seen so far.
Fuzzy pixely disgustingly low res chars floating on a much higher resolution background.....seriously even ff7 port did better than that and didnt have the nerve to call itself ff7 "PC"....unless by PC you mean "Pathetic Cr*p"

Dont get me wrong, i think Phantom Brave was a fine game on the console where i played it, but this port is just insulting.
Learn how to make a halfway decent port or gtfo.

You realize that the FF7 Steam Port is really just a minor re-shading of the 1998 PC release of FF7, right?

The only people who did any work on making it look better were completely independent modders...
Last edited by KaiTenSatsuma; Jul 31, 2016 @ 3:55pm
#36
BigJakeV3 Aug 1, 2016 @ 7:43am 
Originally posted by Papa Bones:
Originally posted by ;360670708779189688:
This is a good port, you know?
What he wants is a remaster not a port.
Anyway best way to play this game is windowed in it's original resolution

I suppose, but that assumes the monitor or TV you're using supports 640x480 (PS2 version at 4:3) or 720x272 (PSP version) resolutions well enough that they don't look tiny when windowed. :)
As far as it goes, I do hope NIS continues porting over and updating said ports of their library; as nice as it is having the first 4 Disgaea games on my Vita, I have been enjoying Disgaea PC on my laptop.

Besides, they're going to make it to their native HD games eventually. :D
#37
Nikke Aug 2, 2016 @ 7:19pm 
What a smart thread by a smart OP
#38
BONKERS Aug 3, 2016 @ 3:30am 
They actually improved the UI and hand drawn backgrounds very significantly.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/180330

It even runs at 60FPS when the PSP version only ran at 20 or so.

This puts ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥'s lazy ass efforts for FF PC ports to shame. (Every FF port except for Type-0,LR and X/X2 are no effort cash grabs)

The only things they didn't do here, were.
A.) Add unnecessary post processing effects like in Disgaea.
B.)Update the environment textures, which is a toss up given the incredibly simplistic geometry.
C.)Update the sprites. The sprites arguably don't need to be changed, though I would like higher res ones. They work well enough. The only problem when displaying the sprites without the linear filter(Blurred), is that innevitably you run in to scaling artifacts when the sprites are scaled up and down on a non integer based scale. Meaning there are minor scaling artifacts in motion and some pixels are unevenly stretched. You can fix this if you have an Nvidia card by forcing SGSSAA through Nvidia Profile Inspector, at the cost of very very minor softness.(But no where near the level of the built in sprite blur option)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/180322

So arguably, all Phantom Brave needs is upgraded sprites and some slightly better environment textures.

This is just based on my time with the demo.


Where as, let's say FFIX

Updated the UI assets, but inconsistently and the entire UI is geared for mobile phones unchanged for PC. Worse layout and design than the original because of accomodation for small touch screens.
Ported game from the ground up into an entirely new engine (Unity). But only runs at 30FPS and battles look herky jerky from the animation being poorly interpolated from the original game running at 15 or 20 FPS.
Audio Encoding is embarrassingly amateur, sounding far worse than the original game on 20+ year old hardware.
Updated main character models, but literally NOTHING else. Other 3D models untouched, 3D overworld/battle geometry and textures untouched.
Pre-rendered backgrounds horribly and lazily upscaled with no effort. To make it worse, rather than simply store backgrounds in layers with alpha.(Like Phantom Brave) It's all stored as ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ small tiles. Which means that if you are just so lucky to play at a resolution that doesn't jive with this system. You will not only get blurry and ugly as sin upscaled backgrounds (Which make up 80% of the game and are not at all improved over the PS1 original), but you will get misaligned tiles resulting in seams all over the image.

All for the same price as Phantom Brave, a port not only with effort put into it. But actually a little TLC.


With FFVII PC, arguably the WORST FF PC port ever. You have the PS4 port by extension, which takes all of that and transplants it to the PS4, while improving and fixing literally NOTHING visually. Not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing.
Last edited by BONKERS; Aug 3, 2016 @ 3:36am
#39
TBC Aug 3, 2016 @ 10:22pm 
You're talking too much logic and intelligence. It'll overload the OP's tiny brain.
#40
Snow Neku Aug 5, 2016 @ 3:16pm 
just reading this guy whining about graphics hurts my head so bad. all that matters is that the game works like it suppose too with gameplay and no bugs
#41
Cres Aug 5, 2016 @ 4:53pm 
I seee trolls every where!
#42
SakuraKoi Aug 5, 2016 @ 4:56pm 
Originally posted by Cres:
I seee trolls every where!

Nah, some many of them are actually ogres.
#43
davidb11 Aug 5, 2016 @ 5:18pm 
Hey, hey, be nice! Ogres are not trolls. For one, they're not weak to fire, and known to be sometimes friendly.
#44
KaiTenSatsuma Aug 5, 2016 @ 5:22pm 
Originally posted by davidb11:
Hey, hey, be nice! Ogres are not trolls. For one, they're not weak to fire, and known to be sometimes friendly.


Ogres have many layers
Like an Onion!
Many layers
and they smell
and are agreeable with most dishes
good for sauteing your average onion
wait, where was I?
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