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kaay Jul 27, 2016 @ 8:34pm
Are you Serious?
Phantom Brave...PC????
PC????....Seriously?
This has to be the single worst port (graphically) that ive seen so far.
Fuzzy pixely disgustingly low res chars floating on a much higher resolution background.....seriously even ff7 port did better than that and didnt have the nerve to call itself ff7 "PC"....unless by PC you mean "Pathetic Cr*p"

Dont get me wrong, i think Phantom Brave was a fine game on the console where i played it, but this port is just ugly.


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Originally posted by theNightStar:
Originally posted by kaay:
*sigh, this is one of the threads i feel really sorry for starting.
It was a thread started out of frustration over the way old game ports are handled, and because the tone of my original post was so aggressive, its probably not surprising that this thread turned into a hateful troll fest, i guess i should take the blame for the mess this thread turned into.

In my opinion, when porting an old console game to the PC (or any other platform for that matter), one should make sure that the port looks and plays the same as the original looked and played on its original platform....i mean thats the whole point of a port isnt it?

This is not a matter of "graphics are more important than gameplay", and its not a matter of PC elitism, its just a matter of preserving the look and feel of a game.
The emulator scene has made it very clear many years ago, that hand drawn 2d graphics dont port well to a PC monitor.
There was a huge effort invested in solving this problem, and many different solutions (none of them perfect) were created.
So forgive me for being upset over the fact that ports like this one (and many others), decided to ignore all the problems and all the solutions, and come out with a bare bones port that does NOT do the original any justice, unless you never played this on a CRT TV that is, in which case you dont even know what im talking about.

Regardless, i apologize for this thread and i wish a moderator would close it, because its obvious nothing constructive will come out of it.

I am legitimately glad that you're ashamed. Good. You should be.

Your thread was incredibly stupid from the get go, your complaints were idiotic at best, you made yourself look like an incredibly moronic fool, a great deal of people laughed at your stupidity and you continued to dig the hole deeper by acting like an indignant, crybaby 8 year old when people were rightfully calling you out for your opinion being disrespectful, ignorant, horribly skewed from reality, and you proving to everyone that you were a fool who had no idea WHAT on earth he was talking about.

You acted like an immature, ignorant, disrespectful, argumentative, self-rightous, whiny, smug, brainless, clueless child whose complaints were stupid then and they are stupid now. You threw a smug little hissyfit over missing the entie point and the simplest concepts of what a port is and how they're even made or even what they are before you cried like a child and acted like an arrogant little punk towards everyone else who are legitimately smarter and more informed than you, over your own lack of basic understanding. There is no better justice for your stupidity and your stupid post than your incredible idiocy and the HORRIBLE way you dealt with it to be immortalized and mocked forever.

It should never go away. Future civilizations should study this incredibly stupid thread for years to come, and pick it apart mercilessly until the end of time. I'm glad you stil feel bad about it and that you'll continue to pay for it. You deserve all of the frustration, irritation, embarassment and ridicule you incurred and still get.

I sincerely hope you wake up every day, 8 years from now thinking about this exceptionally dumb thread that you created and made worse and what a moron you were and how generations will continue to revive this thread and laugh at the moron who threw a hissyfit and whined and dug his claws in a stupid thread about stupid things because he had no friggin idea what the difference between a port and a remake even WAS before he shot off his ignorant mouth, insulted everyone else and made himself look like one of the biggest imbiciles on a Steam forum, ever.

This is who and what you are. This thread represents all the dumb little children who whine and complain about things they're entirely wrong about and are so awful as a person that they get smug and selfishisly deluded instead of apologizing for being an idiot about it. Something you STILL won't complately do, since you still refuse to admit that you were and are 100% wrong about everything you said.

It's set in stone, forever, recorded for all time, you can never take it back or make it go away. This is you in the mirror with the dunce cap on and the butt of a million jokes. You are the pure representation of every two-bit deluded, ignroant little idiot kid on the internet who gets eternally mocked and laughed at as the example you brought on yourself.

This is a port, not an enhancement and it pretty much looks like the original did. The port had no ambitions to be anything more than a port. You whined and cried about literally nothing. Everything you said was and is wrong, and you were a tantrum throwing, smug, self-serving, deluded, arrogant, insulting, little child about it That is the kind of trait that I strongly doubt someone with as small as an intellect and as bad as a personality as yours is capable of learning from without something humilating like this happening so that you never forget it and the embarassment you brought on yourself.

So yes, something good WILL come from this thread. It will serve as a constant reminder to you, what kind of person you are and how what you represent should never be forgotten. Own that shame. Every single inch of it.
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Shredon Jul 27, 2016 @ 9:26pm 
Lets be for real, if they were to make the sprites a higher resolution they would have to redo the entire game. FF7 only looks half decent because they put the characters through a higher rendering filter, just like emulators did for years and years before it. The backgrounds in all the FF ports on PC looks super low resolution, because they are and thats acceptable because thats how the game was made. This game is the same, deal with it or gtfo.
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Fel Jul 27, 2016 @ 9:52pm 
It's funny to have the nerve to compare a game with such a fan base as FF7, that's going to make a lot of sales even if it's a buggy mess that's never fixed, with phantom brave, a niche title even within NIS ctalogue of niche titles.

While we would all agree that having the characters and attacks on a higher definition would be nice, the sheer amount of work needed for that to happen mean that they would need to sell a lot more copies, at a much higher price, for it to break even, and that's not going to happen.

At least this port has a lot of the "PC options" we want (and often miss on cheap ports), like borderless window, key binding, few bugs and even fewer crashes.


But well, if you base the quality of a port and of a game only on how high resolution things are, then this game is definitely not for you.
Again, we would love to have it with HD textures across the board too, but would you buy it at 60+ if it had higher definition graphics?
Most people would argue that even if the graphics are nice, 60$ for a port of a PS2 era game is too much.

But well, this is coming from someone that regularly plays dwarf fortress rather than your latest call of duty, I am really biased towards gameplay and good port rather than high definition.
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Alex! Jul 27, 2016 @ 10:46pm 
Technically, I have to agree with kaay on the lazy port part on the graphics side. Fans might be disappoint to play the same thing over again without much improvements but for a first timer like me (I've played Disgaea though), its still a great game to play!
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SakuraKoi Jul 27, 2016 @ 11:26pm 
I forgot that a Port is the same as a HD Remaster... oh wait
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Stardduck Jul 28, 2016 @ 3:01am 
The port is pretty basic and though pretty run fine on low-end specs compare their previous port. Aside the game receive minor graphical update such as background and UI compare their previous Disgaea PC port, you can try turn off the character filter it should be look fine. Yeah i do agree the sprites and 3d texture aged slightly poorly. Nevertheless i did enjoyed the demo and planned to buy it next time.
Judging to your exaggerated comparison to FF7 port and hostile opinion, i am not sure your either ever owned the console version of game.
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Dorok Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:08am 
The problem looks more the difference between background and characters, I wonder if the rendering algorithm (but applied dynamically so could involve perf problems) used by application as DOSBox or various emulators wouldn't do a much better job overall.

I mean keep everything low res as it was and apply dynamically a rendering algorithm to make it look much better for most players even if not totally clean.

That said the game seems very very good from a let's play first parts I saw.
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Addol Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:55am 
Originally posted by kaay:
Learn how to make a halfway decent port or gtfo.
This is a good port, you know?
Last edited by Addol; Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:55am
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thrAsher Jul 28, 2016 @ 7:17am 
I think NIS must bank on nostalgia helping sales with no real need to do a massive update to graphics and the like. That said, I'm with Alex!, as a first time player and someone who has played and enjoyed far uglier games, Phantom Brave has enough charm and content to make it incredibly enjoyable. To each their own, and I can understand long time fans being sore about no big updates, but I'm having a good time discovering all I can with the game. I can't believe they thought that blur effect on the sprites was a good idea, it's absolutely awful. Thankfully it can be turned off.
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Jinpachiro Jul 28, 2016 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by ;360670708779189688:
Originally posted by kaay:
Learn how to make a halfway decent port or gtfo.
This is a good port, you know?
What he wants is a remaster not a port.
Anyway best way to play this game is windowed in it's original resolution
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davidb11 Jul 28, 2016 @ 7:20am 
HAHAHAHA! This is the best comedic thread I've read so far.
I mean, no one can be so hilariously out of touch with reality to think this is a bad port.

Let alone complain about things that make no sense.

Until someone wants to prove otherwise, I will believe this thread was made as a joke.
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cowbell Jul 28, 2016 @ 7:34am 
Demo is pretty good.
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AcidVile Jul 28, 2016 @ 10:02am 
You can make the sprites look more crisp and nicer in the setting.
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kaay Jul 28, 2016 @ 5:02pm 
You cant release a port that looks so bad, thats lack of respect, but i guess everything goes on steam.
On top of that they had the nerve to add "PC" to the title.
Some old console/arcade ports had the decency to add some filters to make them look better on a pc monitor.
Even modders can make such filters as they did for FF7.
So if a modder can do that, how hard it would have been for NIS to do that?
They could have at least tried to do something instead of releasing this visual abomination.

Last edited by kaay; Jul 28, 2016 @ 5:03pm
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HEHEHeheh.he.h Jul 28, 2016 @ 5:19pm 
Originally posted by kaay:
You cant release a port that looks so bad, thats lack of respect, but i guess everything goes on steam.
On top of that they had the nerve to add "PC" to the title.
Some old console/arcade ports had the decency to add some filters to make them look better on a pc monitor.
Even modders can make such filters as they did for FF7.
So if a modder can do that, how hard it would have been for NIS to do that?
They could have at least tried to do something instead of releasing this visual abomination.

I think it looks nice.Some game art dose get older faster then some other i can say and some do not get older any bit like Zelda wind waker. I think FF7 did need that upgrade because how old it is and still it dose not look nice in my eyes because they are so polygone.Pixel art they get older slower and some games that fits perfect like this i think.It is not perfect but it is not worst i think but i think blure looks good in this game because then game charectors do not jump in so bad.
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davidb11 Jul 28, 2016 @ 5:54pm 
Originally posted by kaay:
You cant release a port that looks so bad, thats lack of respect, but i guess everything goes on steam.
On top of that they had the nerve to add "PC" to the title.
Some old console/arcade ports had the decency to add some filters to make them look better on a pc monitor.
Even modders can make such filters as they did for FF7.
So if a modder can do that, how hard it would have been for NIS to do that?
They could have at least tried to do something instead of releasing this visual abomination.

Okay at first I thought ths was a joke thread, but no, it's a troll thread.
Well, good to know.
You liteally can't be taken seriously now.
Sorry.
Your complaint about addiing PC to the title doesn't even remotely make sense. You fail for that alone.

So, let's see, I played this game for over 300 hours on the PS2.
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