Umineko When They Cry - Question Arcs

Umineko When They Cry - Question Arcs

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Incubaitor Nov 22, 2020 @ 5:25am
Confusing story elements (EP 2)
So, after the first episode i guess Battler and the rest were invited into the Golden Land, but because Battler did not acknowledge Beatrice as a witch they were thrown out of it again? Is that right?

So when they got out and the two of them started their Game, where exactly are they? Is EP 1 Battler watching EP2 Battler? Why are all of them alive again? Does Beatrice have the power to turn back time?

And whats that about "I'm saying in Red" is the game itself aware that it is a visual novel or how can Battler see the red text?

I'm currently i think in the middle of EP2 but that stuff has been bugging me.
Originally posted by Ellixer:
A lot of the story elements are very "meta". Think of it like stage play. Breaking the fourth wall and addressing the actors and audience are just considered part of the story. The red texts are the red texts. Characters are aware of it. Just roll with it.

To make it more simple, as far as Rokkenjima is concerned, there are two layers. There is the Episode itself, where all the murders happen. It is like a theatre where all the people who appear in it are actors (or chess pieces, if we are to use the game's metaphor). Above that layer is the Meta World where Beatrice acts as the game master (or the script writer, in a way) and Battler acts as the audience, interpreting the events presented to him by Beatrice while arguing with her about what they ultimately mean. The two worlds go by different logic and rules. The Episode World resets at the end of every Episode. The Meta World begins at the end of Episode 1 and is continuous. In a way, the Battler speaking to Beatrice and the Battler who is at the family meeting are kind of separate, with the former controlling the actions of the latter (I think? it's a bit ambiguous) while the latter is unaware of the former or indeed the meta world at all.

As for whether the Battler who appears in Episode 1 is the same as the Battler in the Meta World, I'm honestly not sure. If we are going by the manga adaptation, there is some indication that Battler in the Meta World is also just an observer of Episode 1 (like he is right now), but he simply has no role until the end of that Episode. It is very confusing. Like I said, best just roll with it.
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Sergent H Nov 22, 2020 @ 6:20am 
To resume : Battler and Beatrice are playing a game where Battler must prove that murders in Rokkenjima could be done by human(s). As such, Beatrice the game master recreate the 3 last days for a detective game, which difference in events but the same answer at the end.

The "speak in red" is a rule she enforce to be a proper detective game and prevent circular argument. Everyone in the room can "hear" the red text as you (reader) read it.
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Ellixer Nov 22, 2020 @ 6:59am 
A lot of the story elements are very "meta". Think of it like stage play. Breaking the fourth wall and addressing the actors and audience are just considered part of the story. The red texts are the red texts. Characters are aware of it. Just roll with it.

To make it more simple, as far as Rokkenjima is concerned, there are two layers. There is the Episode itself, where all the murders happen. It is like a theatre where all the people who appear in it are actors (or chess pieces, if we are to use the game's metaphor). Above that layer is the Meta World where Beatrice acts as the game master (or the script writer, in a way) and Battler acts as the audience, interpreting the events presented to him by Beatrice while arguing with her about what they ultimately mean. The two worlds go by different logic and rules. The Episode World resets at the end of every Episode. The Meta World begins at the end of Episode 1 and is continuous. In a way, the Battler speaking to Beatrice and the Battler who is at the family meeting are kind of separate, with the former controlling the actions of the latter (I think? it's a bit ambiguous) while the latter is unaware of the former or indeed the meta world at all.

As for whether the Battler who appears in Episode 1 is the same as the Battler in the Meta World, I'm honestly not sure. If we are going by the manga adaptation, there is some indication that Battler in the Meta World is also just an observer of Episode 1 (like he is right now), but he simply has no role until the end of that Episode. It is very confusing. Like I said, best just roll with it.
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