Umineko When They Cry - Question Arcs

Umineko When They Cry - Question Arcs

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How do you all feel about George?
I had heard somewhere that George wasn't a popular charactre, and that a lot of people disliked him. I haven't seen anyone who dislikes him myself, though, and I'm just wondering how people could dislike him, since in my eyes, he's a great character. I'm just curious how many of you dislike him.
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Erebus Aug 12, 2017 @ 4:07am 
I don't dislike him, but I do find him bland and disinteresting.
*^SaoSin^* Aug 12, 2017 @ 4:41am 
He is one of those hardworking guys who is into his first love way to much... I don't know it just feels kinda casual. Anyway despite being boring he is doing pretty much good later on.

So I guess it stays neutral
Rendroken Aug 12, 2017 @ 6:20am 
GEORGE IS FAT FAT FAT
Ellixer Aug 12, 2017 @ 8:27am 
Some people find his ways of being romantic toward Shannon creepy and condescending. Also he was into Shannon when she was 10 or something and he was 17.

I don't mind him much (aside from his interaction with Shannon, which I just thought was boring). In the first episode he was the voice of reason for the most part. But later on the story attempts to make him more badass in some parts and he just comes off as smug and bland to me then. As far as I know that's not why people dislike him though, but there you go.
Outside of a few odd choice of words, I don't really see much issue with his romance of Shannon.
Ellixer Aug 12, 2017 @ 8:42am 
Lifted from TV Tropes. I don't feel that way personally, just thought his interactions with Shannon was boring myself.

They gave the example of phrases like "accept this ring, it's an order" and "I will make you mine alone."
The first one, in context, isn't really bad at all. It's that George knew she wouldn't accept it because she was working, so it would be improper even if she did want to accept it (If I recall correctly). The second one is just, like, some stereotypical line. It's not the first time I've seen it, and it probably won't be the last.
Sergent H Aug 13, 2017 @ 2:24pm 
very in love darker than you imagine
poor_and_stupid Aug 15, 2017 @ 11:36pm 
Nothing is as it seems, don't take things at face value, there is a larger conteext that hasn't been introduced yet if you've only read the question arcs. :)
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Battler Ushiromiya Aug 16, 2017 @ 12:54am 
Originally posted by poor_and_stupid:
Nothing is as it seems, don't take things at face value, there is a larger conteext that hasn't been introduced yet if you've only read the question arcs. :)
I'm at the Chapter 7 tea party. Nothing as of yet has been changed about it from what I can see. At least, outside of Shannon most likely being the culprit
slothmama Sep 7, 2017 @ 6:38pm 
I personally disliked him because of how condescending he is. It wasn't a strong dislike until chapter 6 (or chapter 7?) where it affected his choice to approach Shannon in the first place. I just hated how much he looked down on her at first or that she was caught up in his Nice Guy™ mentality he had going on. Sure, people change for the better, and I can't deny that things have been better since then, but it sure soured my view when I reread past arcs.

Otherwise I was just okay with him, didn't really have much of an opinion though I did relate to not wanting to have your parents control your life.
Archetype Hisui Oct 29, 2017 @ 5:49pm 
Fat @ss.
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Yurie Nov 4, 2017 @ 8:23pm 
I thoroughly despise George.

Other people have already mentioned that he's creepy and condescending, particularly in relation to Shannon/Sayo. He regularly talks down to the other cousins, always trying to seem like "the adult" among them. Granted he is technically an adult, the way he goes about it comes off as him just wanting to feel superior to other people. This even happens a bit with some of the parents as well (I keep thinking Rosa, but maybe it was someone else).

But, of course, the real disgusting stuff comes up with Sayo.Even before they paired up, he was jealous of Sayo and Battler getting along prior to Battler buggering off from the family for 6 years. It was something that irritated him because since he has such a high opinion of himself as "adult" and "responsible", and yet was girlfriendless.

George to me is your typical "nice guy" who is mad about that old stereotype that "girls like bad boys." The part that is unsaid is, of course, "all these women choose asshats because they don't know any better. They really should stick with a polite "gentleman" like me. I am, after all, what women really should want because I am so much better than those jerks they keep dating." It's a very condescending and sexist outlook, though basically no "nice guy" is self-aware enough to recognize that.

So naturally George can't get a date until he uses his status and Sayo's insecurities to get her into a relationship. That relationship consists of alot of showing off how great he is, talking about what he wants for the future, and being completely blind to the discomfort and self-esteem issues that plague Sayo. Learning "the truth" in Chiru was incredibly heart-breaking because you can see how George's blindness towards how much Sayo badly needs support just helps push her further over the edge.

TL;DR George is a condescending jackass who has a strong need to feel superior to others and is incapable of seeing beyond his own needs and desires. Some of this is apparent in the first four Chapters of Umineko. It is made crystal-clear in the last four (Chiru).
Last edited by Yurie; Nov 4, 2017 @ 8:24pm
Originally posted by Yureina:
But, of course, the real disgusting stuff comes up with Sayo.Even before they paired up, he was jealous of Sayo and Battler getting along prior to Battler buggering off from the family for 6 years. It was something that irritated him because since he has such a high opinion of himself as "adult" and "responsible", and yet was girlfriendless .

George to me is your typical "nice guy" who is mad about that old stereotype that "girls like bad boys." The part that is unsaid is, of course, "all these women choose asshats because they don't know any better. They really should stick with a polite "gentleman" like me. I am, after all, what women really should want because I am so much better than those jerks they keep dating." It's a very condescending and sexist outlook, though basically no "nice guy" is self-aware enough to recognize that.

So naturally George can't get a date until he uses his status and Sayo's insecurities to get her into a relationship. That relationship consists of alot of showing off how great he is, talking about what he wants for the future, and being completely blind to the discomfort and self-esteem issues that plague Sayo. Learning "the truth" in Chiru was incredibly heart-breaking because you can see how George's blindness towards how much Sayo badly needs support just helps push her further over the edge.

TL;DR George is a condescending jackass who has a strong need to feel superior to others and is incapable of seeing beyond his own needs and desires. Some of this is apparent in the first four Chapters of Umineko. It is made crystal-clear in the last four (Chiru).

Ignoring, of course, how George himself thought that, back then, he was a dumbass and that he regrets that he thought like that in the past. Anything that George thought back before Battler left is moot, because he DOESN'T think like that anymore.

Dude, have you SEEN how Shannon acted during the story? During the flashback and the marriage proposal? Even KNOWING about her insecurities, I found it hard to tell that she had them. It's like saying Battler is a heartless jackass for forgetting his promise to Shannon. He can't be realistically expected to realize that without LITERALLY getting in her head. Was George blind to her insecurities? Yes, and as a result he was also a big reason that she decided to go through with her plan to start with. But it's not realistic to blame him for what happened when he COULDN'T know any better.
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Yurie Nov 4, 2017 @ 11:14pm 
Originally posted by Battler Ushiromiya:
Stuff

You need to spoiler tag parts of that post. Please do so. :)

WARNING: Do not look at what I have spoiler tagged in this post if you have not finished ALL 8 chapters of Umineko.

I'll admit George is better in 1986 than he was prior to that, but he's still a condescending jerk. As for being blind to Sayo's internal struggles, it is true that they weren't on open display. At the same time... did he really try to get to know her well, or was his only concern that she was "his"? There were enough red flags during their trip to the aquarium alone to make one concerned about what she was saying. But George, being the self-absorbed guy he is, couldn't see anything but what he wanted to see. So yes... his role in causing the "incident" is that he was blind to Sayo's painful insecurities and that he (unintentionally) did alot of knife-twisting when he talked about the future family he wanted to have with her. George was one factor among many, and certainly not the most important one. But it was all of those factors combined that led Sayo into planning a massive murder-suicide.
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