So, uh... The Minigun in level 2?

[Trent Easton]

You can destroy the wall with a tek arrow now. You couldn't do that in the other versions. It is NOT a gun you're meant to have so early in the game, which is why they teased you with it. It normally requires a grenade launcher or better to get to that gun. Is this intentional? If not, then it needs to be nerfed.

[Crix]

so they mess with in game stuff, so not only the price they fudged with in game content and stuff. Bleh..A visual remastered would've been just fine but changing how the game was orginally gameplay wise is bad taste.

[Kaizen]

Damn I didn't even try with the tek arrow I just passed it up, why would they do that?

[(Shadow)]

It might be a bug, i'll have to ask them about it, and i will pass it a long and hopefully we can get it patched up, so only the grenade launcher can blow it up.

Edit: It seems to be an engine thing, any explosion can take it out now, doesn't seem to be a way to tailor it just for the grenade launcher.

[Trent Easton]

Originally posted by (Shadow):

It might be a bug, i'll have to ask them about it, and i will pass it a long and hopefully we can get it patched up, so only the grenade launcher can blow it up.

Edit: It seems to be an engine thing, any explosion can take it out now, doesn't seem to be a way to tailor it just for the grenade launcher.

It wasn't that the grenade launcher was the only weapon that could do the trick. It's just that the tek arrows, and explosive shells DIDN'T do the trick. Pretty much any other explosive would get the job done. But, it's not a big deal. At least, for me personally. I'll just ignore it until after level 4. But hopefully somebody, be it a dev, or a modder will fix this. We can't have the newbs getting too comfortable, now, can we?

[(Shadow)]

Originally posted by Otep Shamaya Is Queen:

Originally posted by (Shadow):

It might be a bug, i'll have to ask them about it, and i will pass it a long and hopefully we can get it patched up, so only the grenade launcher can blow it up.

Edit: It seems to be an engine thing, any explosion can take it out now, doesn't seem to be a way to tailor it just for the grenade launcher.

It wasn't that the grenade launcher was the only weapon that could do the trick. It's just that the tek arrows, and explosive shells DIDN'T do the trick. Pretty much any other explosive would get the job done. But, it's not a big deal. At least, for me personally. I'll just ignore it until after level 4. But hopefully somebody, be it a dev, or a modder will fix this. We can't have the newbs getting too comfortable, now, can we?

Ye, I know the feel, but when mod support comes a long I feel like lots of great things will rise up.

[Kaizen]

Hear that people?
Mod support coming.

Kwitcherbichen

[Emerald Witch Seraphina]

It doesn't use the same ammo as the handgun / assault rifle anyway, so it doesn't matter when you pick it up. You get enough ammo to kill a handful of enemies and then you're SOL until you start finding more, which should be around the time you could get access to the weapon anyway.

[KingfossilFER]

Shadow, I tought in your lp you mentioned this was intentional or something like that, which is reasonable considering the first grenade launcher you get is on stage 4.

I always found this secret dumb for the amount of backtrack you need to do (basically get to the end of stage 2)

[MuscularMelvin]

I thought the OP was a close-minded purist when this topic was initially revived, but I now see his point. Turok 1 was really meant to be a collect-a-thon game, and making players go back to previous levels with new abilities is a big part of that. It's no different than getting the caps in Super Mario 64. The problem is, that one minigun secret is the only thing like that so it doesn't work either way.

Then again, it could be that the secret was always meant to be accessible with Tek arrows and the developers just made a mistake. Besides, as others have said the minigun is only meant to be a small taste of what you'd be able to have later in the game. Most smart players would save it for the boss encounter in Level 3, anyway.

I'll just ignore it until after level 4. But hopefully somebody, be it a dev, or a modder will fix this. We can't have the newbs getting too comfortable, now, can we?

God, this guy was probably one of those types who only play Doom at 320x200 with keyboard only.

[Smoke39]

I considered changing this, but as lightning pointed out, it's only really useful against the longhunter, and really it's just as powerful against the other bosses. So instead of changing the destruction code, I reduced the minigun ammo pickup count in boss rooms, to try and make it less dominating against ALL bosses. I might not've reduced it enough, though, as I still feel like I can rely on it pretty easily against bosses. May revisit this in a future update.

[MuscularMelvin]

I think a Metroidvania method of collecting powerful weapons in locked-off areas was probably an idea thrown around in the Iguana offices back then, but it probably got shot down because it would slow down the gameplay too much. I can't say the invisible walls were a good substitute, but at least if you know where they are you wouldn't have to waste 5 minutes running through an empty level.

We may never know if Turok was going to be the Metroid Prime of 1997, but it's fun to speculate. No way they could've pulled it off on N64 hardware, though.

[Apollo Husky]

True, it's a tad overpowered at the time. But once you've used it up, you wont find any additional ammo for it until MUCH later.

[NEMESIS2K5]

Got the minigun. I used the tek arrows on the spikes blocking the minigun in the jungle and the wall/spikes were destroyed.