Level 3 frustrations

[runemaster]

I was actually happy to see this classic on steam.
So I've been playing since yesterday and everything was fine, but it seems enemies can hit you from impossible locations.

This is especially annoying in lvl 3.

I'm really having trouble to get past this. I'm playing on normal difficulty, but there are just tons and tons of enemies and I can evade their attacks only in the rarest cases.

Sometimes they seem to aim in the exact opposite direction and are still able to hit me..

I'm also running out of ammo pretty quickly and everytime I wanna explore to figure out what the hell I'm supposed to do, I get shot, because the enemies just keep respawning constantly.

This is kinda frustrating right now...

[(Shadow)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12z2fEKUKwQ

Maybe this will help, it's part of my playthrough

[Kaizen]

I have noticed that even when I am directly behind and enemy staying behind while strafing, they do in fact still shoot me, it seems as if their shots come out of the barrel and turn and go through the enemy into me and I take damage. It is quite annoying when there is no way to avoid damage that should be avoided with the required skill.

I play with the fog on, because 1 I don't have an issue with the draw distance, it works out fine, and without it the game looks bad, imo. 2, Enemies don't have the extra line of sight on you with the fog.

As for ammo, at least through the whole normal playthrough, I had way more than enough ammo at all times. Just don't hang in the same area for too long and keep progressing

[Ohrami]

i've not had too much trouble playing on hardcore, but what I usually do is I will save, explore the level, figure out as much as I can about it until I run out of lives, and repeat until I figure out where all the keys/enemies/items are and how to get them, then finally do a final run through losing as few resources as possible throughout the level. this is probably the best approach and you'll wind up having the most health at the end if you know what to expect.

if you expect this to be some easy ♥♥♥♥ game you can beat pretty much in one try with no problem then it's not your type of game. there are attacks you simply can't avoid, just deal with it and accept the lost health.

[runemaster]

Well I didn't have too much trouble with lvl 1,2 and 4.
Usually I explore on bit at a time. I've found all the keys so far and managed to stock up on ammo and lives, but lvl 3 is still a nightmare >_<

@(Shadow) thx, I'll have a look

[Antroid]

I beat the game the first time on Hard and with the extended fog. Level 3 was a bit problematic but there's more than enough cover to hide from the blowdart guys and riflemen and nothing else is really dangerous. I managed to explore the level as much as I could (all keys and chronoscepter piece) and my first death was a misstep in the final jumping sequence.

I'm currently replaying the game on Hardcore (but with the closer fog because I'm not quite ready for the hordes of snipers on steroids), just beat level 3. There's a whole lot of backpacks in the second half or so of it, I think three at least, so I think you can just accept a few deaths, since it doesn't reset any progress but restores your health.

The blowdart guys actually miss very easily if you run sideways (or maybe they are 100% hitscanners and just randomly miss sometimes, I dunno actually). The riflemen seem to be more precise but they are weaker and die of one assault rifle burst. My advice is just keep moving, don't forget about cover or hiding when possible, and since I believe the actual city part (with a lot of small houses) is the hardest part of the level, a specific advice for that part would be to move on rooftops and kill the runners downstairs with the tek arrows. Worked wonders for me.

[(Shadow)]

There are loads more pulse rifle guards in the city in this version

[Antroid]

Those sargeants or whatever I think are only truly dangerouns in close quarters where you can't just run and fly around like mad. In the city you should move fast enough to not get hit by a whole bunch of shots, so as soon as you see where one is you can take out the assault rifle and find a good position to snipe him from. Or just strafe, jump and shoot, and you'll barely ever get hit.

Also there didn't seem to be that many in the first place. There are probably some I'm forgetting but the only ones who I remember after 2 playthroughs of the level were a couple on the "city" rooftops, one on an elevated ledge to the left in that one place where you go up on the right, go across and then lower a whole bunch of pillars to open the stairs downwards, and one in one of the houses in that same area.

Honestly the only level I remember them bitterly from is level 8. :X

[runemaster]

Alright, managed to collect all keys and chronoscepter-pieces in the first 4 levels.
Already found the scepter piece in the 5th.

@(Shadow) thx that video really helped. I missed to climb the tree and press the switch at the
7 min. mark.

[(Shadow)]

Originally posted by runemaster:

Alright, managed to collect all keys and chronoscepter-pieces in the first 4 levels.
Already found the scepter piece in the 5th.

@(Shadow) thx that video really helped. I missed to climb the tree and press the switch at the
7 min. mark.

Glad it helped! :)

[Ludus Aurea]

Yealevel 3 is a pain in the ass. I started a let's play then ragequit in level 3 because I can't figure out where to go.

[Antroid]

How does one manage to get lost in level 3? I could understand level 5... though even that one can be easily figured out.

[V I D A L]

I remember when I frist played through this level back on 1997 and I spent DAYs running around this level. DAYs. I wanted to get all keys and how was I supposed to know that the third keys were behind a boss battle after entering the portal? I didn't want to enter the portal because I thought that was going to leave the leve (as it does previously).

Only after exploring for many hours I have up and decide to leave the level and I finally found out there was a boss. -_-

[runemaster]

Originally posted by V I D A L:

I didn't want to enter the portal because I thought that was going to leave the leve (as it does previously).

Haha, yeah I also didn't enter the portal at first, thinking I missed a key somewhere.

Anyway, the main problem with lvl 3 is all the respawning enemies, who make it hard to find the right way. Only thing I missed was a switch to open a new passage. But you have to climb up a tree in order to do that. I just couldn't figure that out while being constantly under fire.

Finished the game last night. :3
Chronoscepter makes the last fight so easy, so I did it again without using it.

But going through the first few levels using cheats, all weapons, unlimited ammo can be a lot of fun too ^^

[Antroid]

Wait, you HAVE to climb a tree? The only climbable trees I remember in that level are the short stubby palm trees in front of that big building with a teleport inside, and they are only used to get something silly like a quiver or something, on top of the entrance (I think).