Enabled cheats - achievements stop

[vIE888]

Hey!

I turned on infinite lives once, just to see how it works, then I just turn it off.
I played and then Mantis boss shows - no achievent. Later on I read enabling cheats stays forever. What a crap. I can't have achievements to be unlocked.

Is there any command to unlock for example Mantis killed achievement or turn off this stupid "Cheats enabled" thing?

I used one save slot, so I can't reload my older savegame.

Please help.

[Seamus]

Nothing you can do except start over and start saving on multiple slots. Should really make that a habit in any game, just in case of save corruption or issues like this.

[Seamus]

Any open world game by bethesda is a great example. ALWAYS keep multiple save slots.

[Edward850]

The key thing to learn here is there is no fair cheating. Don't cheat in a game that you want to keep valid.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Edward850:

The key thing to learn here is there is no fair cheating. Don't cheat in a game that you want to keep valid.

Or in the case of bethesda games, learn how to get around it.

[vIE888]

Yeah I use often multiple slots, but rather in game like RPG or richer FPS.
But this game saving system is like a checkpoint, there should not be a problem with that.
And also it's not a long game, so why using multiple slots if it can be beaten in 2 days.

To Edward850, I was not cheating. When I've got my 10th life, game informed me I can enable cheat. So as a matter of fact it told me "You can now play with cheats if you want, You did Your job by finding needed points, so it's Your prize, no strings attached".

So I wanted to check how it works, I go to cheat menu, turn this thing on, and thought, ok fine, I never cheating in games, so I won't use that, but if for some reason game will start to be max hard, it will come in handy. So I stiill being in this menu, turned it off.

Gone to mantis boss, killed him without cheats, gone through level 6 - no cheats, as from beginning of game. Quit game, upload some screenshots, and I see achievemnt with mantis locked. Then I read on forums, there is a stupid achievements lock, when even really not using cheats just turning it on and off at menu.

There was not screen telling me: "If you turn cheats on - your achievemnts will be locked forever and ever."

So my point, if you want things go like this, maybe just pull a window with text, it will ruin all your good day, or sth like this.


Now, looks like there's only one thing I can do, cause I won't start this over.
Looking for someone, who put saves 100% on web and rewind to previous level

P.S. I just finished game without cheating. Games was pretty easy and with CHRONOSCEPTER, just to easy :P
Anyway if the game stills tells me I'm using cheats (never used it really just switched on and 2sec later switched off, still being in the same menu), so then I say - go to hell!

I feel like I've bought STUPIDDISH DLC. Why putting in cheats through menu if it lock achievements? Better way would be entering cheats on keyboard.
But naaah...let them suffer!

[Coyote Knight]

Originally posted by vIE888:

To Edward850, I was not cheating. When I've got my 10th life, game informed me I can enable cheat. So as a matter of fact it told me "You can now play with cheats if you want, You did Your job by finding needed points, so it's Your prize, no strings attached".

I'm sorry to say this but the game isn't bugged, you're dumb.

In what world does UNLOCKED CHEAT mean you can go to town without some sort of downside?

The game NEVER encourages you to enable cheats, it just tells you that you UNLOCKED the cheat.

Not only that but there's a small discrepancy in your story, cheats are never locked away simply by turning them on and off, you definitely turned it on when it became available to you, saved your progress while that cheat was enabled and effectively locked yourself out of earning achievements.

[vIE888]

To Coyote. First, never say someone is dumb, cause it makes you dumb too.
Second, game never wrote that enabling cheats would put an end to achievements earning.
If You don't know, there are still some games that do not check if player cheats or not, and still makes earning achievemnts available.
Third I do not say, cheating is some standard behaviour and I do not use cheats in games, but I was rather curious 'bout it. I turned off cheats right after and played game as usual.
Never would imagine that my 30min later save would end for me like this as the game remembers it. That's all.
Game finished. Subject closed, I'm not interested in farther continuation of this topic.
Thank You.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by vIE888:

To Coyote. First, never say someone is dumb, cause it makes you dumb too.

Well that's just dumb.

Second, game never wrote that enabling cheats would put an end to achievements earning.
If You don't know, there are still some games that do not check if player cheats or not, and still makes earning achievemnts available.

And those games are objectively wrong for doing it that way.

Third I do not say, cheating is some standard behaviour and I do not use cheats in games, but I was rather curious 'bout it. I turned off cheats right after and played game as usual.
Never would imagine that my 30min later save would end for me like this as the game remembers it. That's all.

Learn to keep multiple save slots.

Game finished. Subject closed, I'm not interested in farther continuation of this topic.
Thank You.

[floyddebarber]

Originally posted by Edward850:

The key thing to learn here is there is no fair cheating. Don't cheat in a game that you want to keep valid.

I have to side with vIE888 in this one, it just made me furious too.
I've just finished playing the game and although I played very meticulously, it didn't unlock any of the last achievements. In fact, the little "secrets" popups stopped around Treetop Village, but since in game it confirmed that I've unlocked the secret, I thought there was nothing wrong.
What happened is early in the level I got the HUD message "infinite something cheat unlcoked", which I really didn't want (at first I didn't realise that it's liked to the number of lives, in fact I thought I entered some cheat by mistake). Naturally, since I saw there's a cheat menu, I went there to turn it off. I turned it on and off, without even escaping the menu, and never had a thought about it, until now. The game did not warn me that I should reload my previous save, because I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up my achievements. Then I've found out there's a console too, and yes, it confirms that I'm locked out of the achievements, and of course I don't have a save from earlier, but even if I start a new game, it stays locked.

That's a bad move, devs. I agree that a save where you used cheats should not unlock any achievements, but then you really sould warn the players about this, and why implement this stupid "unlock the cheats"-system in the first place?

Edit: After I quit and restarted the game, I could start a new save with achievements enabled.

Edit2: in my second playthrough I finished the game in about 5 hours (at the last level I learned to avoid enemies) collecting all echievements. It brought back really nice memories, I haven't played this game in the past 16 years or so. I wish every old game could be re-released like this.
Still I think you should do something about the aforementioned problem: now that we have achievements in Turok, either disable the "cheat-unlocking", or have a visible (not console) warning that from that point achievments are turned off.

[Googalabon]

Originally posted by Edward850:

The key thing to learn here is there is no fair cheating. Don't cheat in a game that you want to keep valid.

A warning would have been all you needed to add (Activating cheats voids achievemnts are you sure you want to turn this on? y/n). Really wish I saw how lazy you were before I bought this game (Damn you nostalgia you've sapped my wallet yet again)

[Edward850]

Originally posted by Googalabon:

Really wish I saw how lazy you were before I bought this game (Damn you nostalgia you've sapped my wallet yet again)

I didn't actually work on this release, I was brought on for Turok2.
Also, being rude calling people lazy isn't a good way to have a conversation, especially when developing these sorts of projects, reverse engineering of source and assets, empirical testing, and even needing some disassembly at times, requires anything but. It's a substantial amount of work.

I understand that there's a function here that didn't quite work the way you expected, but things are a little more complicated behind the scenes than they appear. When, how, if something can be changed isn't something we can always say.

[Googalabon]

Originally posted by Edward850:

Originally posted by Googalabon:

Really wish I saw how lazy you were before I bought this game (Damn you nostalgia you've sapped my wallet yet again)

I didn't actually work on this release, I was brought on for Turok2.
Also, being rude calling people lazy isn't a good way to have a conversation, especially when developing these sorts of projects, reverse engineering of source and assets, empirical testing, and even needing some disassembly at times, requires anything but. It's a substantial amount of work.

I understand that there's a function here that didn't quite work the way you expected, but things are a little more complicated behind the scenes than they appear. When, how, if something can be changed isn't something we can always say.

I wasn't being rude, you were lazy. You pretty much told the poor guy 'TOO BAD IDIOT CHEATING IS CHEATING' as opposed to taking the suggestion to heart. I wasn't accusing you of past laziness, just current. The correct response would have been to let him know how it works and say something along the lines of we will look into this to see if we can make an adjustment (even if you aren't planning on doing that). But I'm just random turok fan #235235 so don't let me ruin your day.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Googalabon:

say something along the lines of we will look into this to see if we can make an adjustment (even if you aren't planning on doing that).

Advocating lying to customers. Wow. I hope you never do business with WB Games.

[Googalabon]

I recommend making the adjustment. However if you don't plan on it, letting them know you want to look into it is much better then the stance used. I do not advocate lying, deflection is a better term for this.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Googalabon:

I recommend making the adjustment. However if you don't plan on it, letting them know you want to look into it is much better then the stance used. I do not advocate lying, deflection is a better term for this.

Lying is lying. Don't try to couch it in different terms.