Are some ships in the wrong class?

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So, probably kinda a weird thing, but looking at a couple of ships, I just have to wonder if some of them might of been classed wrong? The main two are the Corvette and the Raven.

Starting with the Corvette. While this is the space future and everything, a ship called the Corvette seems like it'd be a light warship, given the size difference between a corvette and a frigate. Yet here, the Corvette is slightly bigger than the Frigate(though not weight wise, but that's mostly because of the manufacturer I think). At first I thought that maybe the Corvette needs to be shrunk down some and turned into a light warship. After looking at it(and thinking a bit more about it), however, I think the ship might just be missnamed. If you look closely at the Corvette, it seems to have a scale pattern on it. That, combined with the sorta frills it has, makes it seem like the ship would of been named the Dragon or Wyvern or something along those lines. And of course Corvette being a name that seems like it'd be more in line with the Navy than Lionheart.

Next up is the Raven, and this ship is probably one of my favorite ships, but based on how big the image for it is, and the weight and other stats, it seems like it might of been meant to be a medium warship, but got bumped down to a light(and some of the other stats bumped down as well) due to a lack of light warships. It's bigger than the other light warships, and nearly as big as most of the medium warships.

What do you guys think? Do you think these two ships might be misclassified? Or am I just looking too much into this entire thing?

[22144418]

Corvette may not be tough, but its speed is what brings it there. the crew size along with that makes it a worthy flagship before the mule, and using torpedoes with it makes it capable of bringing down even korath raiders, getting an easy jump drive.
I've tried it myself, and managed to earn myself a hefty vanguard or protector within no time at all.

If you were to put a raven against a medium warship, it won't be enough, unless if you used rockets, but that's an exception. medium warships have a standard to be able to hire 10 crew members, without bunks, and naturally have about 7000 shield and hull hp. the raven was probably meant to have high speed at the price of size, so all's well.

I dont thiink you're overlooking things; it's still a good idea, though.

[Wrzlprnft]

since the classification of warships wasn't uniform across the world for a long time, it's hard to pin that down. that said, i'd too say it's the speed which caused that name.(corvette)

for the raven, you can't really go for the size. as you mentioned, manufacturer, and the large freighters should be then warships too? their just differntly built, i guess.

over all, not overthinking, those are valid thoughts. will for the sake of consistency probably not change, though. if i had to guess.

[MilfordTheBunny (DarkZenith)]

Originally posted by Kraz:

So, probably kinda a weird thing, but looking at a couple of ships, I just have to wonder if some of them might of been classed wrong? The main two are the Corvette and the Raven.

Starting with the Corvette. While this is the space future and everything, a ship called the Corvette seems like it'd be a light warship, given the size difference between a corvette and a frigate. Yet here, the Corvette is slightly bigger than the Frigate(though not weight wise, but that's mostly because of the manufacturer I think). At first I thought that maybe the Corvette needs to be shrunk down some and turned into a light warship. After looking at it(and thinking a bit more about it), however, I think the ship might just be missnamed. If you look closely at the Corvette, it seems to have a scale pattern on it. That, combined with the sorta frills it has, makes it seem like the ship would of been named the Dragon or Wyvern or something along those lines. And of course Corvette being a name that seems like it'd be more in line with the Navy than Lionheart.

They are definitely flipped around.
From what I've seen the Hierarchy of Naval Boats/Ships by size are typically (from smallest to biggest)

1 - Fast Attack Craft - Small, Light, very fast, armed with light guns, possibly shoulder mounted rockets
2 - Patrol Boat - Usually one mounted heavier caliber gun with shielding, possibly a single torpedo tube - Typically used for anti-piracy sorties
3 - Corvette - Lightest of the Warships, first with any level of true armor. Typically mounted with several light caliber guns and possible a single heavier gun/turret
4 - Frigate - Modern role has changed from previous designnations. Used to be just a heavier class of warship than the corvette but smaller than a destroyed. Now a more multi purpose design. Designed for recon and light sorties. Usually has advanced detection technology. For example Canada's Frigates are the most advanced in the world, outsizing most destroyers, have basically every scanning technology you can think of. They also have highly advanced weapon technology with heavy torpedoes, anti sea and air missiles, and phalanx anti air turrets. Highly advanced intelligence equipment and I believe a Helicopter landing pad.
(worth taking a peek at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax-class_frigate )
5 - Destroyer - Generally outdated and not used anymore. Typically lowest level ship with a fully turreted gun(s). During WorldWar II and on it was mostly used as an anti-submarine hunting ship with Depth Charges, Torpedoes with some surface turrets.
6 - Light Cruiser - Cruisers have changed from a heavier turreted based ship to being missle based ships. Designed for long ranged weaponry delivery and anti-aircraft use.
7 - Heavy Cruiser - I believe this class is now basically retired due to missle cruisers.
8 - Battle Cruiser - Outdated and little used class. Essentially a smaller battleship with a sacrifice in armor but larger guns.
9 - Battleship - traditionally the heaviest of warships in both defensive armor and assault armament. Several multi-barreled turreted cannons with the largers size possible. Later additions include anti-air phalanx, possible torpedoe tubes and depth charges but these roles were typically left for smaller ships with greater speed and maneouverability. Has seen a major decline in use since the second World War as turreted weaponry has become supersceded by missile based weaponry. However this class of ship (or a smaller variant) may make a comeback as with the development of railgun technology has seen a resurgence of interest.
Special Note - Dreadnoughts are actually a class of Battleship that was developed before World War 1 and is the granddaddy of all modern "Big Gun" battleships. Britain was the first to develop this idea and the first ship was called the HMS Dreadnought. The result was a new world wide Arms race with bigger ships and bigger guns.
10 - Helicopter Carrier - Small/Light carrier exclusively used for deployment of helicopters.Used in Anti-Submarine and Amphibious assault. Beginning to see a decline in usedue to an increase in development and use of VTOL (Vertical Takeoff and Landing) has started to superscede Helicopters
11 - Aircraft Carrier - Largest of the Ships, period. Largest of the Aircraft Carriers typically are used as the command hub of a deployed fleet with other ships around (including smaller carriers). Immense cost however house huge ability. Some of the largest can carry dozens if not hundred + aircraft as well as all support staff and equipment.

I could go on as to how I think these classes should relate in the game but don't feel like going into that detail at this time.

Originally posted by Kraz:

Next up is the Raven, and this ship is probably one of my favorite ships, but based on how big the image for it is, and the weight and other stats, it seems like it might of been meant to be a medium warship, but got bumped down to a light(and some of the other stats bumped down as well) due to a lack of light warships. It's bigger than the other light warships, and nearly as big as most of the medium warships.

What do you guys think? Do you think these two ships might be misclassified? Or am I just looking too much into this entire thing?

I love the Raven, I especially love the Marauder variant and still maintain several of them in my fleet, 4 Gunports AND a turret make this the ideal light ship in my opinion. Above the Maurader Quicksilver and Headhunters, but superseeded by Corvettes, Firebirds, Manatas and Splinters. Definitely one of my favorite ships and one of the main reasons I go on pirate hunts in every free world colony to farm.

I think the Manta is an underated class, with 6 Gunports it is very good and adept and taking down ships for boarding purposes.

As for Protectors I finally understand the use and reason for the naming. They are great for boarding as because of their large size they "protect" and engulf smaller ships completely. I actually with the protector could be slightly reclassified as a defensive Supply style ship (a type missing from the game) where smaller ships can dock for repairs and refeuling, say Light Warships, Interceptors, FIghters, Light Freighters, and Transports (aside from Star Queen). One of the things I always hated was pirates coming in and destroying ships you've newly aquired. The protector helps with that. But I think it does need to be tweaked.

[tehhowch]

Originally posted by MilfordTheBunny (DarkZenith):

... but superseeded by Corvettes, Firebirds, Mantas and Splinters.
...

What'd they plant?


There isn't much point to diverse classification options in Endless Sky, as the game design is not around collecting and wielding large fleets (in which such classification diversity and specialization would make sense).
Transport, little freighter, big freighter, fightercraft, chasers, little warship, warship, big warship.

Some reclassification may make sense, but remember that these should be based on the in-game attributes and not historical perceptions of a ship's model name. As pointed out above, terminology and use have changed in 200 years, so it is reasonable to assume that another 1000 will see continued change.