Necro and plane of Hades

[They Live]

I'm digging necro atm, had some fun, turned to lich (yeah!) then i did the switch planes ritual : some nasty, nasty army from hades went into my temple city and i went to hades.

All cool but what am i supposed to do in hades? I was wandering with zero clue...

[Hobo Elf]

There are lots of Old Battlefields for you to use the Legion spell, although I advise against abusing this spell since you will have a large army of relatively weak units, which is not the way of the game, although they can be stationed to defend places that generate Hands of Glories.

There are 3rd level libraries which can be neat if you want to increase your spell book for your Lich / Vampire / whatever.

There are resource nodes for Gold and Iron, if you need it. Probably not so important for a Necromancer, but if you do want it, they are easy to defend as the only roaming monsters are those weak spirits.

There are no resource nodes for Hands of Glories so the Necromancer will not find any important spell casting resources.

You can challenge the Prince of Death in Hades, but there is pretty much no reason to do so than as a challenge. He's a very tough opponent.

Most importantly though it is never winter in Hades, so it can be used as a place for faster travel. Especially the level 2 ritual Stygian Paths allows the Necromancer travel great distances within a single turn.

[knowthyself2]

It's kinda cheap, but you can probably also just hold out in other planes to become unkillable. Planes like Hades and Inferno aren't readily accessible to most classes, so you can just camp a citadel there and players won't be able to get to you.
I've also heard that necromancer Minor Summons work better in Hades, but I've seen little to vindicate that.

[niddhoger]

I think that is largely a rumor. People want to believe it, so they pay more attention to the extra spawns but ignore all the duds. I didn't notice anything special down there for minor summons, and its not mentioned in the ritual description (like extra summons of animals in ancient forest or desert for ceremony of baal).

There is an extreme cheese factor for Hades. As you noticed, planar swap will send things from Hades into Elysium. You can also do this in reverse. Next time an armor appears next to your lich, you can planar swap into Hades, take one more step to get directly under them, then planar swap again. You'll send THEM into Hades. For 100 hands of glory, you'll kill off the enemy army! Hades kills living beings (realm of the DEAD), and only the necromancer can access "planar swap" to free living units from Hell. I don't believe "personal gate" from a demonologist works down there either.

Other than the cheese, its a secure source of extra income. The old battlefields aren't extra spawns, but simply mirror those found in Elysium. The main benefit is that the libraries are also mirrored. You can effectively double your library count by raiding Hades. You'll be swimming in extra mages :) As mentioned, it'll also sere as a "last bastion" for you. Very few classes can access Hades (Barbarian can get planar shift for spirits, and a Demonologist can potentially summon Orkus Prince of the Dead, I think a Markgraf can gain access to planar shift too). Thus, you can make yourself unkillable and try to win a war of attrition... but bare in mind that there are very limited hands of glory down there (gallows are present, but I can't remember if they actually give hands). You may very well enter a stalemate if you loose your last planar shifting commander and run out of hands. The enemy can't reach you, but you can't return to Elysium.

[knowthyself2]

btw, if you use Hades or another plane to hide for a bit, make sure you have enough hands of glory to travel back to Elysium once you're ready!
Because you'll find neither trade nor hands of glory in Hades.

[Galdred]

Necroing thread takes another meaning therte! I have just got the planar swap spell for my main necromancer. Is there any ritual to befriend undeads in Hades? Are the mirror cities and libraries located at the same spot (ie; if I planeswap from my library, will I land in Hades Library?).
Does HAdes have any effect on insanity?

[ComatosePhoenix]

Hey Mr. Necromancer, There isn't a specific ritual to make friends in hades. All of the sites are mirrored except player starts and anything generated by a new event. Not all sites are useful when mirrored though. and There are some sites in Hades, that don't have an equivelent in elysium.

Hades doesn't do anything to insane units. but gradually kills anything that isn't an undead unit.
this includes necromancers that haven't ritual'ed themselves into liches or something.

Also immortality doesn't work on other planes. if your lich dies in hades, he dies for good.

Have fun!

[They Live]

Originally posted by ComatosePhoenix:

Hey Mr. Necromancer, There isn't a specific ritual to make friends in hades. All of the sites are mirrored except player starts and anything generated by a new event. Not all sites are useful when mirrored though. and There are some sites in Hades, that don't have an equivelent in elysium.

Hades doesn't do anything to insane units. but gradually kills anything that isn't an undead unit.
this includes necromancers that haven't ritual'ed themselves into liches or something.

Also immortality doesn't work on other planes. if your lich dies in hades, he dies for good.

Have fun!

talking about necromancers you made a nice work of necroing this 2015 thread :)

Ty for the reply anyway!

[radwyn]

My experience of the game mostly in visiting the planes Hades. Inferno etc are that they are nice themes but generally to nasty to hang around for long term profit more side hide outs from trouble or travelling at a dangerous risk. Hades seems to be less deadly than most though if you feel like it. I used to hunt for magic items there on boss types but armies are usually better spent on the war above. Love the planes though sets the world up nice

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by knowthyself2:

It's kinda cheap, but you can probably also just hold out in other planes to become unkillable. Planes like Hades and Inferno aren't readily accessible to most classes, so you can just camp a citadel there and players won't be able to get to you.
I've also heard that necromancer Minor Summons work better in Hades, but I've seen little to vindicate that.

This is why I think the planes mechanic isn't well implemented right now. It's mainly used to make the game unwinnable. A Necromancer with a citadel in Hades is basically invulnerable to most classes. Anyone with a citadel in the elemental planes is basically invulnerable once they destroy the gateway, with only the High Cultist and sometimes the Pale Ones really having any way to mount an offensive on them. The Pale Ones can also get a mostly inaccessable citadel in Agartha or Inferno, but at least Inferno becomes accessable from a rare event.

Other than rendering the game unwinnable, unleashing a flood of demons behind an enemy's lands, or getting some somewhat secure income as a Necromancer, the planes are mostly more trouble than they are worth. Even the slight benefit you get as a Warlock isn't usually worth the turns of travel time.

[I>U]

Originally posted by Red Bat Media:

Other than rendering the game unwinnable, unleashing a flood of demons behind an enemy's lands, or getting some somewhat secure income as a Necromancer, the planes are mostly more trouble than they are worth. Even the slight benefit you get as a Warlock isn't usually worth the turns of travel time.

Well, everything goes at it's own pace. Next to all Tier 3 spells in CoE3 were either useless or perfectly chessy (save for those buggy). But, hey, they even fixed Ba'al in CoE4!

Planes are more of a feature than mechanic for now, just like those T3's previously.

[Menkerot]

it's for fun and role play. Also, resources, just not hands for obvious reasons.

[They Live]

Originally posted by Menkerot:

it's for fun and role play. Also, resources, just not hands for obvious reasons.

wow nice necro