Failing to control summon at max sacrifice....

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Called forth an infernal horde for 244/245 sacrifice. F'kin failed!

I was really relying on this summon to get competitive again after losing my main force, so I threw everything I had at it. What the literal hell

I found a justification to savescum it because I had 10 more sacrifices than I initially thought and meant to max it out.

[Althaea]

As a general rule of thumb, you can only guarantee the successful control of first-tier summons using the maximum sacrifice level. With second-tier rituals you can usually get to something like a 95% chance of success, though.

Third-tier rituals such as Demon Lords is where you'll find that the control chance is 50/50 or less even with max sacrifices.

[Colonel Dracula joins the Navy]

Highest you can get with a level 2 Demonology ritual is actually 90%, and that's only with Greater Demon Summoning. For the other level 2 rituals, Infernal Horde caps at 82% and Summon Demon Lieutenant caps at 67%, except for the Succubus, which caps at 90%.

Control chance caps for Summon Demon Lord vary considerably depending on which Lord you get, but they range from 22% to 45%, with most being 37%. Sadly, none of them even reaches 50/50.

Note that the inability to guarantee control of summons is largely limited to the Demonologist and High Cultist (the latter mostly because they can't change Sacrifice Level). Other than that, the only rituals that cap below 100% are the Witch ritual Summon Old One, which caps at 82%, and the two level 2 Bakemono rituals, Summon Greater Beings and Summon Oni, which cap at 97%. Notably, the level 3 Bakemono ritual, Summon King, actually caps higher, at 100%.

If you're interested, all of this information is available in my extraction of the ritual data, here.

[Althaea]

Shhh, colonel. You're making me look bad with all your precise numbers and hard work.

(And don't tell anyone that half-baked memories of scanning through those files and rounding up is where my numbers came from.)

[Colonel Dracula joins the Navy]

Sorry, alguLoD, didn't mean to make you feel bad or anything. Your answer was already good and helpful; I just thought I could add a little to what had already been said. And since I am, admittedly, crazypants for numbers, I went overboard with that. :)

[Swirler]

Originally posted by Colonel Dracula joins the Navy:

Highest you can get with a level 2 Demonology ritual is actually 90%, and that's only with Greater Demon Summoning. For the other level 2 rituals, Infernal Horde caps at 82% and Summon Demon Lieutenant caps at 67%, except for the Succubus, which caps at 90%.

Control chance caps for Summon Demon Lord vary considerably depending on which Lord you get, but they range from 22% to 45%, with most being 37%. Sadly, none of them even reaches 50/50.

Note that the inability to guarantee control of summons is largely limited to the Demonologist and High Cultist (the latter mostly because they can't change Sacrifice Level). Other than that, the only rituals that cap below 100% are the Witch ritual Summon Old One, which caps at 82%, and the two level 2 Bakemono rituals, Summon Greater Beings and Summon Oni, which cap at 97%. Notably, the level 3 Bakemono ritual, Summon King, actually caps higher, at 100%.

If you're interested, all of this information is available in my extraction of the ritual data, here.

ooooh, useful stats to know.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Oh, ok. Well at least it's intended and the odds weren't just picking on me.

[BathroomCitizen]

Out of curiosity, how did you check all those percentages?

[Colonel Dracula joins the Navy]

I extracted the ritual data, including control chances, from coe4.exe. I used that data to arrive at the numbers I stated.

In my topic, Extracted from coe4.exe: Ritual data, I give a brief explanation of how I found and decrypted the data, with some more details in the download about addresses and how the data is stored.

[BathroomCitizen]

Very interesting! Thanks Colonel!