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Staniel Dec 8, 2016 @ 5:07am
Should've done a bit more with the whole "Emily has a boyfriend" storyline
The letters were cute, but besides that he's never mentioned. Not even at the end. Wasted opportunity IMO.
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Arbares Dec 8, 2016 @ 5:16am 
I volunteer! She's so cute
NRieh Dec 8, 2016 @ 6:51am 
Originally posted by some topical meme:
The letters were cute, but besides that he's never mentioned. Not even at the end. Wasted opportunity IMO.
Technically, it's not the 'boyfriend'. Wyman has an 'open' gender, which is NEVER referenced, neither in the game nor in the novel (author had confirmed that the only 'he' we get is a mistake).

While the intention is interesting (to leave things for the players\readers imagination, write an 'open sexuality' LI), it also means that they can not really do much about him..her..they..it..uh. I'm going to use 'he', because I need to reference the character somehow ok?

Basically they had butchered the character for the sake of the 'inclusivity'. It's arguably one of the worst of the 'Corroded man' characters. A hollow placeholder, which sometimes says stuff and does things. Meaningless. Simply because it's impossible to write proper dialogues and scenes without using the pronouns. You can only say 'Wyman' as many times per paragraph before the writing gets beyond ridiculous.

Unless they give up upon their idea and canonize the gender, we won't ever get any serious dialogues (romantic or not), and we won't ever see him being part of the game(s).

The worst thing is that they had not even marketed the 'feature', and plenty of players are simply unaware that Wyman is possibly 'not-he'.
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Staniel Dec 8, 2016 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by NRieh:
Originally posted by some topical meme:
The letters were cute, but besides that he's never mentioned. Not even at the end. Wasted opportunity IMO.
Technically, it's not the 'boyfriend'. Wyman has an 'open' gender, which is NEVER referenced, neither in the game nor in the novel (author had confirmed that the only 'he' we get is a mistake).

While the intention is interesting (to leave things for the players\readers imagination, write an 'open sexuality' LI), it also means that they can not really do much about him..her..they..it..uh. I'm going to use 'he', because I need to reference the character somehow ok?

Basically they had butchered the character for the sake of the 'inclusivity'. It's arguably one of the worst of the 'Corroded man' characters. A hollow placeholder, which sometimes says stuff and does things. Meaningless. Simply because it's impossible to write proper dialogues and scenes without using the pronouns. You can only say 'Wyman' as many times per paragraph before the writing gets beyond ridiculous.

Unless they give up upon their idea and canonize the gender, we won't ever get any serious dialogues (romantic or not), and we won't ever see him being part of the game(s).

The worst thing is that they had not even marketed the 'feature', and plenty of players are simply unaware that Wyman is possibly 'not-he'.
Huh, didn't even realize the gender wasn't specified. Don't really see the point of it in this case either, it takes away from what could be developed into an interesting story. They could always make Wyman non binary if they wanted to as well.
neutrino Dec 8, 2016 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by NRieh:
Originally posted by some topical meme:
The letters were cute, but besides that he's never mentioned. Not even at the end. Wasted opportunity IMO.
Technically, it's not the 'boyfriend'. Wyman has an 'open' gender, which is NEVER referenced, neither in the game nor in the novel (author had confirmed that the only 'he' we get is a mistake).

Please, Mr. or Ms. SJW Agent, do some research before you derail a topic with your agenda. Wyman is not a gender neutral name.

http://thenamesdictionary.com/name-meanings/34801/name-meaning-of-wyman
Staniel Dec 8, 2016 @ 10:33am 
Originally posted by neutrino:
Originally posted by NRieh:
Technically, it's not the 'boyfriend'. Wyman has an 'open' gender, which is NEVER referenced, neither in the game nor in the novel (author had confirmed that the only 'he' we get is a mistake).

Please, Mr. or Ms. SJW Agent, do some research before you derail a topic with your agenda. Wyman is not a gender neutral name.

http://thenamesdictionary.com/name-meanings/34801/name-meaning-of-wyman
What does that have to do with it, though? If Wyman was written to be gender neutral then that's what they are.
Staniel Dec 8, 2016 @ 10:37am 
Originally posted by Frederik:
People actually sit and speculate about this? A sign to do something with your life. :D
It's a forum about Dishonored 2. We discuss aspects of Dishonored 2. What did you expect when you came here?
Kaitos Mogh Dec 8, 2016 @ 11:02am 
Originally posted by Frederik:
People actually sit and speculate about this? A sign to do something with your life. :D

No. The only telling fact here is, that you chose to make this comment in exactly this thread.

Concerning the opening post: I guess part of the idea of player characters like Corvo and Emily is, that they have to face their tasks alone, for the most part. Having a girlfriend/boyfriend around or otherwise communicating with the player character, would make the atmosphere too positive and comfortable. It would also mean more dialouge, which you don't want too much of, because in the end, this is a videogame.
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NRieh Dec 8, 2016 @ 11:17am 
Wyman is not a gender neutral name.
Oh, and 'Billie Lurk' must be sooo very feminine, I assume? 8P

Like it or not - Wyman is officially 'genderless'. It's an intended feature.

Not a good one, if you ask me, because I'm yet to find another novel where the heroine has such a hard time doing...well, anything with her lover. She's not allowed to touch his/her hair, kiss his/her lips and even allow him/her to kiss her hand. Just because the author is forbidden to use the damn gender pronouns, and 'tautology' becomes Wyman's second name before he enters the room.

Author literally can't describe his/her emotions, features and thoughts. Damn, it took some creativity do describe the colours of his/her velvet jacket! And he had 'slipped' during the most 'comlex' scene (which was technically drknking a glass of wine with Emily).

So, we'll never have anything other than couple of the carefully constructed letters in-game. They can't show you Wyman, they can't even talk about him/her in any meaningful way.

It sould be interesting what are they going to do with him during the remaining novels. My money are - send him away, before the author goes insane with avoiding the gender pronouns. 8P

ps: In case someone is really that slow - I don't care about all the 'social justice' etc. I have no issues with 'non-traditional' characters and 'inclusiveness' in general. All I'm saying is that we've got a poor case here. The important character writing(why, yeah, I find main heroine's LI to be important enough) had suffered for nothing, because (as I've laready mentioned) very few even know that this 'feature' is even there.


chickadeedeedee Dec 8, 2016 @ 11:21am 
Wyman's gender is [UNSPECIFIED] according to Harvey's twitter. When this was revealed, a bunch of people on twitter and tumblr lost their ♥♥♥♥ "omg canon nonbinary!!!" "Lesbian Emily????" They kinda backed themselves into a corner with this one, because now actually showing the character will inevitably piss off either some loud sj types who will scream "how dare you erase this queer character!!!!" or anti-sj types who will scream "pandering!!! pandering!!!" And while I think most of the flailing by #2 around this game has been unnecessary, I'm inclined to agree with them in this particular case.

They absolutely ruined someone who should have been an interesting key character by vagueing it up to try to please everyone. If they wanted Wyman to be a woman or nonbinary, they should have gone and done it. This dancing around it is just insulting to me, and I'm supposedly the demographic they built Emily to appeal to. And... Emily's an empress, a class of people known for taking many lovers. Wyman being a boy doesn't preclude her kissing girls. This whole thing is so stupid.

The thing is, this game actually has a pretty damn solid spread of queer characters? Some people would have been dissapointed if Emily's main love interest was a boy, but this isn't a game where doing that would mean "well, I guess this is yet another piece of media pretending that we don't exist and don't matter."

Megan outright says "I've loved a number of women." Ashworth and Delilah's realtionship isn't specified but it is very gay-coded. Mindy Blanchard had a very nice subtle side-story in which her trans status was just a footnote. And I'm pretty sure Theodanis and Aramis were having an affair back in the day. A lot of the heart lines even fill a number of the minor mobs as gay (especially the overseers. So many gay overseers).

So yeah, potentially good character underdeveloped for dumb reasons, even for this series.
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Kaitos Mogh Dec 8, 2016 @ 11:32am 
Geez. Wyman isn't even a real character yet, since he/she is only mentioned a couple of times. That's not "underdevoloped". It's just mostly left unknown.
neutrino Dec 8, 2016 @ 11:36am 
Originally posted by NRieh:
Like it or not - Wyman is officially 'genderless'. It's an intended feature.

Officially? Says who? Wyman is a masculine name. Your and Harvey's ignorance of this fact does not make it any less masculine. Your declaring it official does not make it so. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but I don't recognize nor acknowledge your authority.
chickadeedeedee Dec 8, 2016 @ 11:50am 
Originally posted by Leviathan:
Geez. Wyman isn't even a real character yet, since he/she is only mentioned a couple of times. That's not "underdevoloped". It's just mostly left unknown.
Wyman should have been a major character though (they are the lover of one of the possible protaganists!). The fact that Emily's paramour is someone she thinks of rarely and with 0 clarity is really jarring. So I think I'm justified in calling Wyman underdeveloped.

Also, Wyman has appeared in the tie-in novel. I haven't read more than excerpts from the Corroded Man, but NReih has done a pretty good job of showing just how unreal and intrusive the vagueness acrobatics can get.
ofcthatwaslag Dec 8, 2016 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by Frederik:
People actually sit and speculate about this? A sign to do something with your life. :D

Ironic given your turgid posts about Denuvo.
Breach Dec 8, 2016 @ 1:13pm 
The Wyman thing felt cheesy.
Staniel Dec 8, 2016 @ 1:16pm 
Originally posted by neutrino:
Originally posted by NRieh:
Like it or not - Wyman is officially 'genderless'. It's an intended feature.

Officially? Says who? Wyman is a masculine name. Your and Harvey's ignorance of this fact does not make it any less masculine. Your declaring it official does not make it so. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but I don't recognize nor acknowledge your authority.
You just mentioned it. Harvey said so. Pretty sure we can trust the Creative Director on this one.
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