Jindosh Riddle is Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Clown Babby]

Wasted an hour because Dishonored Man's Sky wanted to make a procedurally generated puzzle with 18 quintillion ways to have completely ♥♥♥♥ wording.

"Someone else carried a valuable Diamond and when she saw it, the visitor from Dabokva next to her almost spilled her neighbor's rum."

An hour later i realise the dev team cant english.

"A carried a valuable diamond. B was sitting next to A. When B saw the diamond, B almost spilled A's rum."

Enjoy deriving that from the sentence written by Bang Sook Lao

[Shadowspaz]

Originally posted by Eelectrica:

Originally posted by Shadowspaz:

That doesn't sound right. All the game does is mix up the name/heirloom pairs. The relationships in the information stay the same.

Are you looking at it in English?

Yeah English, the information has been wrong. Next time through I guess I'll just make the adjustments myself though and assume it's still wrong, and know the person the clue says is on the far left is actually 4 down from the left.

I would question your logic before questioning the riddle.

I put the person it says is on the far left on the far left, and followed everything else by the letter (avoiding even the slightest assumption). I got the correct answer, first try, with no guessing.

Try starting over, and just be hyper-critical of every bit of information.

Also, it may be worth noting that this riddle isn't as tight as Einstein's Riddle. I had most of my chart still blank when I had all of the heirlooms figured out. So perhaps it's possible to get a seat wrong, and still come to the right answer, since the seats don't actually matter for the lock.

[Eelectrica]

Originally posted by Shadowspaz:

Originally posted by Eelectrica:

Yeah English, the information has been wrong. Next time through I guess I'll just make the adjustments myself though and assume it's still wrong, and know the person the clue says is on the far left is actually 4 down from the left.

I would question your logic before questioning the riddle.

I put the person it says is on the far left on the far left, and followed everything else by the letter (avoiding even the slightest assumption). I got the correct answer, first try, with no guessing.

Try starting over, and just be hyper-critical of every bit of information.

Also, it may be worth noting that this riddle isn't as tight as Einstein's Riddle. I had most of my chart still blank when I had all of the heirlooms figured out. So perhaps it's possible to get a seat wrong, and still come to the right answer, since the seats don't actually matter for the lock.

Hmm thanks. OK I'll keep that in mind. I would like the achievement for figuring it out, but if I'm going to get the achievement I'm going to do it properly, not finding the solution later in the map then re-loading.

[Entropie]

Maybe transcribe the text of the riddle (and the game's solution) here if you really think it is bugged.

That is the only way we can actually check that the problem is on the game's end.

[deborah]

It was perfectly clear to me. You just need to work on reading comprehension. Or maybe go play Mario Cart instead of trolling discussion boards.

[Eelectrica]

Originally posted by Entropie:

Maybe transcribe the text of the riddle (and the game's solution) here if you really think it is bugged.

That is the only way we can actually check that the problem is on the game's end.

At the Dinner party were Lady Winslow, Doctor Marcolla, Countess Contee, Madam Natsiou, Baroness Finch

The Women sat in a row. They all wore different colors and Madam Natsiou wore a jaunty green hat. Countess Contee was at the far left next the guest wearing a blue jacket.
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.
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Combination:
Natsiou Marcolla Winslow Contee Finch
Pendant Medal Ring Tin Diamond

Clearing Contee is not on the far left. Throws the whole thing off because that would mean blue jacket is in Marcolla's spot.

[Shadowspaz]

Originally posted by Eelectrica:

Originally posted by Entropie:

Maybe transcribe the text of the riddle (and the game's solution) here if you really think it is bugged.

That is the only way we can actually check that the problem is on the game's end.

At the Dinner party were Lady Winslow, Doctor Marcolla, Countess Contee, Madam Natsiou, Baroness Finch

The Women sat in a row. They all wore different colors and Madam Natsiou wore a jaunty green hat. Countess Contee was at the far left next the guest wearing a blue jacket.
.
.
.

Combination:
Natsiou Marcolla Winslow Contee Finch
Pendant Medal Ring Tin Diamond

Clearing Contee is not on the far left. Throws the whole thing off because that would mean blue jacket is in Marcolla's spot.

I really don't know what to say... The structure of the riddle doesn't change, and it's solvable in a way that follows every single rule. So... Try again? Put Contee on the far left, and go from there? It seems like you had to ignore a series of clues to place her in the fourth, anyway.

The clues aren't wrong at all.

[Entropie]

Could you please post the whole riddle?

Otherwise it is impossible to check whether there is no valid solution that produces the correct pairings.

[Eelectrica]

Hopefully this works. I've already moved on, but I still hava a clean hands playthrough so will have another crack.
And my frustation comes for the riddle saying one of the people is seated at a location different from where the solutions says she is, but if it's solvable without that then fine. I'll solve it next time.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=819614800
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=819614866

[Shadowspaz]

Ohhhh, I see.

That note you find doesn't actually reflect the seating. The seating isn't even relevant to the final solution (As much as I wish it was).

All you need to solve the riddle are the woman/heirloom pairs. They can be put in anywhere in the lock.

But if you're solving the riddle yourself, the seats are necessary to get to the final solution, and they are indeed accurate.

[Eelectrica]

Originally posted by Shadowspaz:

Ohhhh, I see.

That note you find doesn't actually reflect the seating. The seating isn't even relevant to the final solution (As much as I wish it was).

All you need to solve the riddle are the woman/heirloom pairs. They can be put in anywhere in the lock.

But if you're solving the riddle yourself, the seats are necessary to get to the final solution, and they are indeed accurate.

Ah ok thanks for that explanation. I thought it all had to match up in the order as well.

[Shadowspaz]

Yeah... Understandable confusion.

I really, really think the seating should've been a necessary piece of information. That would make it harder to brute force (Still doable through patterns, though), and it would feel like more of a victory from solving the riddle manually. lol

[Entropie]

Don't worry, you are not the first one in this very thread to get confused by it.

[deborah]

Originally posted by Shadowspaz:

Ohhhh, I see.

That note you find doesn't actually reflect the seating. The seating isn't even relevant to the final solution (As much as I wish it was).

All you need to solve the riddle are the woman/heirloom pairs. They can be put in anywhere in the lock.

But if you're solving the riddle yourself, the seats are necessary to get to the final solution, and they are indeed accurate.

I had no idea! Of course, I so enjoy stuffing people in boxes and shipping them off to Abu Dhabi, I haven't bothered solving the puzzle since play-through #1.

[JiveDJ]

I generally don't agree with ppl that whine about difficulty, but I gotta take OP's side here. The riddle was terribly worded. Good logic puzzles are difficult due to the problem they present, not the grammatical gymnastics one has to navigate. A good logic puzzle urges one to give up due to an inability to piece together a big picture from small details. The details are generally easily understood; logical ability itself is the test. This puzzle has the reader making assumptions about certain variables, which means the reader must attempt a brute force solution eventually (or get lucky on the first try), which is not logic-based at all. Defeats the entire point of a logic puzzle.

[Shadowspaz]

Originally posted by MP Palma:

This puzzle has the reader making assumptions about certain variables, which means the reader must attempt a brute force solution eventually (or get lucky on the first try), which is not logic-based at all. Defeats the entire point of a logic puzzle.

I'd like specific examples of this.

I did not brute force, nor did I guess. No luck was involved.

There are areas that are ambiguously worded, yes, but I just took note of the ambiguity, and all of the patterns it could refer to. I revisited them later, as I pieced together more information, and surely enough, the ambiguities broke down to only one possibility. Everything clicked together nicely.

I will say that it isn't as tight as Einstein's Riddle, but as long as you interpret everything without bias, leaving everything on the table, it can be solved in the exact same way.