Final mission 9 help needed for GHOST run - SPOILERS!!!

[Bad Whippet]

Final warning: there are going to be huge spoilers for tackling this final part of the game. Honestly, STOP reading now if you don't want the end bit (how to complete) totally spoilt.

Just in case I forgot to mention it: SPOILERS after this point! I'll still try to disguise them here but you know what search engines are like. Anyhow, here goes...

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playing as Emily, I have ghosted my way successfully throughout the game (even the glitchy missions that sometimes register kills accidentally) and now I'm at that final part. I've used the corrupted rune on the throne and have entered the painting in the tower. I've choked three of the doppleganger Delilah statues on the parapets and upper slab above the throne, leaving behind just three more (two in line of sight of each other (floor level plus throne) and the highest-positioned one at the top of the mountain thingy opposite these two. At this point, I still have zero detections (great).

HOWEVER, I cannot deal with ANY of the remaining targets! If I choke the mountain-top one from behind, then I'm detected from the throne-based target. If I try to take out the remaining floor-based target or the throne target before the mountain target, each detects the other being knocked out. All I have left weapons-wise for non-lethal are the howler bolts (no sleep darts or stun mines left). I can easily finish the game non-lethal, but not without that very last detection.

What am I missing?

[NRieh]

I can take out three of the statues too, with no detections.

But if I try to choke the real Delilah, or dispatch any of the remaining statues, it's instant detection!

I'm not sure I'm getting you right. Had you actually tried to move up to Delilah BEFORE hitting the clones (which are 100% optional)?

[Bad Whippet]

Originally posted by The Joker:

When you used a heart on her, did she talk to you in the cinematic? If yes, then you got spotted and no matter what you do in the painting, you will be spotted.

I don't recall that she did. She was painting away and chatting to herself before I used the heart, and afterwards there was the screen turning white with the on-screen instruction to enter the painting. I can get through, and I can hear Delilah humming to herself, and at this point there are zero detections registered. I can even safely choke three of the clones, still undetected.

[Bad Whippet]

Originally posted by NRieh:

I can take out three of the statues too, with no detections.

But if I try to choke the real Delilah, or dispatch any of the remaining statues, it's instant detection!

I'm not sure I'm getting you right. Had you actually tried to move up to Delilah BEFORE hitting the clones (which are 100% optional)?

Yes, I tried dealing with the real Delilah at the top (sneaking behind and choking her) but as soon as she loses consciousness, Miss Throne-Clone below triggers instant red detection even though I'm not in her line-of-sight. I can continue the level through to taking unconscious Delilah to where she needs to be placed (I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but you no doubt know where I mean) and I end the game in full low-chaos, but with that ONE stupid detection to crush my ghost run.

[The Fabulous Slayer]

Originally posted by Bad Whippet:

Originally posted by The Joker:

When you used a heart on her, did she talk to you in the cinematic? If yes, then you got spotted and no matter what you do in the painting, you will be spotted.

I don't recall that she did. She was painting away and chatting to herself before I used the heart, and afterwards there was the screen turning white with the on-screen instruction to enter the painting. I can get through, and I can hear Delilah humming to herself, and at this point there are zero detections registered. I can even safely choke three of the clones, still undetected.

Okay, load the save file before you use heart, use it while being directly behind her and check if she talk to you in the cinematic or simply says something like "finally my soul has returned". If in the cinematic you are hidden behind a column and she does the later thing, try knocking real Delilah in the picture. Tell me if it works.

[Bad Whippet]

Originally posted by The Joker:

Originally posted by Bad Whippet:

I don't recall that she did. She was painting away and chatting to herself before I used the heart, and afterwards there was the screen turning white with the on-screen instruction to enter the painting. I can get through, and I can hear Delilah humming to herself, and at this point there are zero detections registered. I can even safely choke three of the clones, still undetected.

Okay, load the save file before you use heart, use it while being directly behind her and check if she talk to you in the cinematic or simply says something like "finally my soul has returned". If in the cinematic you are hidden behind a column and she does the later thing, try knocking real Delilah in the picture. Tell me if it works.

Interesting - I don't recall Delilah saying that her soul has returned. I'll see if I can find a save.

[Entropie]

Dont forget to check the stats menu to see whether you got spottet.

Also using lethal force (like crossbow bolts) against the clones is totally ok for a nonlethal run.
I had no problem killing all the clones (choking some and killing the ones that see each other with bolts) without being detected (them seeing bodies may happen but does not count as detection)

Furthermore, I might be wrong about this, but the gravehounds in the throne room seem to also be there is you interactet with one of the delilah statues in the level and talked to her.
(Makes sense since she knows you are coming then) So on top of low chaos and not letting yourself getting spottet refrain from interacting with those.

[tezboz_jam]

just thought i woulld say that i just finished the gaame with v. high chaos and there were no hounds in the throne room and she did not speak to me after i used the heart but she definatley saw me because i stood right in front of her and all she said was 'finally my soul has returned' so IDK.

[Tennmuerti]

If anyone is interested and had the same thing happen (like me). Getting detected by all the fake statues after subduign the real Delilah.

Yes I've entered throne room stealthily (did not restore power). Delilah was next to the painting with no dogs in the room. After using the heart she did not speak to/notice me.

Even then when I tried choking out the real Delilah in the painting (the one at the very top of the entrance) all the fake delilahs instantly go agro at the end of the choke (even if theydissapear instantly afterwards) and I got 6 detections upon mission end.

To avoid this I had to manually eliminate all the fake statue ones one by one. For the 2 that are facing each other (one on throne and one that she is looking at) in order to avoid triggering the throne one I dark pulled the one she was looking at. This doesn't trigger her like the choke does. And while it acticates the statue to come alive and walk around it does not count as full detection. So the you can take out the walking one.

Then for the one on the throne to avoid the naive Emily speech and real Delilah activating I mind linked (Domino) the throne one and the real one. Then went and choked out the real one, which prevented the alert from triggering from the fake one. There 0 detections.

Also tested it out with a juiced up stun mine with extra range and multi targeted, this also works to stun both the throne fake Delilah and the real one when she teleports. Again for 0 detections.

I assume using Domino on the last remaining fake Delilahs and the real one is likewise an option to avoid having to mess with the last 2 fake ones looking at each other.

[ZOMGILOST]

I hid near the entrance then casted Duplicates like crazy. Our decoys killed each other so I was able to choke her from behind after the real one appeared

[deborah]

When I skipped the replicas, I just walked up behind D and choked her.

I just did a High Chaos Ghost run and took out the replicas and choked out Delilah. I think this should work for non-lethal, too, but you might need to rewind to an earlier save before you took out most of the replicas: take out the easy replicas except for one. Use Domino to link the tricky ones to the easy one. Choke out the easy one then HIDE FAST where D won't see you. Sneak up on D while she's wandering around looking for you and choke her out.

[Frostbeast]

I shot arrows to the ground near the enemies to lure them away. Doppelganger can distract them too

[NRieh]

I've entered throne room stealthily (did not restore power)

Restoring power does not do anything, actuallly. I've restored the power and took the elevator up, entered the throne room via the broken window (to the left of the main entry), and I could choke her in the picture without getting any aggro. Emily, low chaos. So, it must be something else. Talking to one of the statues during the level, perhaps?

[[CPC] Sushi]

Had the same problem (instant detection when taking the real Delilah down)

Solution for me: load autosave just before entering the painting in stealth mode, then directly go for the real Delilah

[Hommunicator]

Had exactly the same problem: if I try to choke the real Delilah (the one on the cliff above entrance), all remaining clones immediately teleport to me, and the combat starts.
If I try to choke a clone which stands to the left of the throne, the clone which sits on the throne detects me, and the combat starts again.

Just in case someone else will google this thread looking for the same issue, here is my solution (I was playing as Emily with powers).

Use Domino to link the two remaining clones (the one sitting on the throne, and the one standing to the left of the throne). Unfortunately, you can't link the real Delilah too.

Find a place where the standing clone barely can see you, and the sitting clone can't see you. A good place is to the right of the throne, and slightly behind it (so the throne is between you and the standing clone).

Carefully crawl to this place, to let the standing clone see you. Patiently wait till the white detection indicator increases to the maximum. When the indicator becomes "white in a red border", use Far Reach to jump out of the clone's sight.

The clone will start running to the place where it has detected you, and will start searching for you. Now you can return and choke the clone. Because of the Domino, it will render the other clone unconscious too.

Feel free to check your stats to verify that "white in a red border" is not counted as a detection.

But don't relax yet.

Now you have only about a dozen seconds till the real Delilah notices that something is wrong. Be very quick: you need to climb the cliff and choke the real Delilah faster.
If you're not quick enough, the combat starts, so you need to reload and try again.
This worked for me after a couple dozen of reloads.

Maybe my bone charms also helped to be fast and invisible. I had Fleet Fighter, Swift Shadow, and Invisible Thread.

Although I'm not sure what to do if you don't have the Domino power.
Probably you can lure the standing clone in the same way, and then to use a Stun Mine on the sitting clone.

But if you have neither Domino power nor Stun Mines... sorry, no idea.