FYI: Black market robbery, mission 4

[Just Chill]

SPOILER!

In mission 4 (Clockwork mansion), there is a black market, which can only be accessed, when three whale oil tanks are detonated at a wall.
Two of them are already in place brought there by female burglars.

I had an issue with that: The shop keeper dies almost anytime I explode those tanks.
Only two times, I managed to explode the wall in such a way that she survives.

Well, this time I've recorded it, so it's indeed possible.
I would recommend to save your game before you blow away that wall. There seems to be a slight chance for the shop keeper to survive, so robbing the black market is also a thing for 'clean hand' playthroughs.

[Capt.M]

I've done this only once and I didn't kill the shopkeeper back then. I wonder if that was just good luck? How do you ignite the whale oil tanks? I think I just threw the third one at the first two placed near the wall...

[Myrmidon]

It's entirely luck dependent from what I've seen or just very buggy. It also seemingly works with 2 tanks sometimes but 3 tanks other times. It's also possible to pickpocket her key through the bars as she randomly turns around and wanders off periodically. I've never been quick enough though.

[Just Chill]

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

It's also possible to pickpocket her key through the bars as she randomly turns around and wanders off periodically.

OMG, I didn't even imagine that. :D
I will think about that possibility next time. Thanks for pointing it out.

Guess I was pretty unlucky with my turns about the explosion then.
It's 4 (killed) to 2 (survived) if I remeber correctly.

[Semipalmated Plover]

I've done this twice first time in two different playthroughs, so i must be really lucky.

[Just Chill]

Probably. ^^
My outcome wasn't that good.

Well, even if I saved at the point I got her alive right at the first try.
So I guess I was just unlucky the previous playthroughs.
Maybe she got killed by debris?

Addition:
Lol, just realized that Emily and Corvo are vampires.
Right when I let Emily took out the shop keeper there was only the shadow of the shop keeper to be seen on the wall.

[Capt.M]

Originally posted by Just Chill:

Lol, just realized that Emily and Corvo are vampires.
Right when I let Emily took out the shop keeper there was only the shadow of the shop keeper to be seen. :awkward:

And their reflection cannot be seen in any mirror. :[

[Just Chill]

XD

This reminds me about the mirror reflections in NOLF.
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/57497-the-operative-no-one-lives-forever-windows-screenshot-checking.jpg

Good ol' times. ^^
Think I should replay it again some time...

[Semipalmated Plover]

Originally posted by Just Chill:

XD

This remembers me about the mirror reflections in NOLF.
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/57497-the-operative-no-one-lives-forever-windows-screenshot-checking.jpg

Good ol' times. ^^
Think I should replay it again some time...

Damn it. It still regularly annoys me that no-one's got around to releasing on Steam or GOG :(

[Just Chill]

Yeah.
I have the second one too, but everytime I try the wide screen fix, it messes up my HUD.
I've also used the fixed HUD archive from there, but it didn't help.

Haven't tried the first one for ages, but I fear it also might not run well. :/
I really would like to get that on GOG, since I have that account only for old games which need a bit love to run flawlessly on modern systems.

Furthermore the second one had a very nice "skill system", which could be seen as some sort of predecessor of the Far Cry 3 to Primal system.
Nothing that special to add new moves or abilities, but getting quicker hidden, increasing ammunition capazity, increasing investigation speed, ...
Was a pretty nice RPG-aspect for such an ego shooter.

[deborah]

I've never managed to pickpocket her or any other shopkeeper. However, the one time I robbed her, I managed to not kill her on the first try.

[Myrmidon]

The times the explosion kills her could be the times when shes wandering off into the back of the shop which this one specific dealer seems to do but none of the others so far have. One idea to mitigate this could be to sleep dart her through the bars so she drops safely to sleep out of the blast radius. The shutters close but that matters little when you consider you're going in through the wall.

[deborah]

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

The times the explosion kills her could be the times when shes wandering off into the back of the shop which this one specific dealer seems to do but none of the others so far have. One idea to mitigate this could be to sleep dart her through the bars so she drops safely to sleep out of the blast radius. The shutters close but that matters little when you consider you're going in through the wall.

Clever idea!

[Myrmidon]

Another point of note if you are going to rob her do it after you've returned from the mansion otherwise you won't be able to buy gear or use your new blueprints until you find a dealer in another mission.

[deborah]

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

Another point of note if you are going to rob her do it after you've returned from the mansion otherwise you won't be able to buy gear or use your new blueprints until you find a dealer in another mission.

That goes for all the missions with black markets... don't rob them until you know you're done with them! I find this especially critical in the last mission because I like to go back and stock up after clearing the streets and before going through the gates.

[ObservingEye]

Heh, I said screw it to dragging a tank all the way back and tossed a grenade into the mix. Yeah... it killed the shopkeeper.