What are the bad things about the Order of the Holy Flame compare to the Bandits? and what good about the bandits (morally)?

[MaximB]

Hi,
I'm nearing the end of chapter 1,
As I wanted to play melee I choose the bandits, and most of them are total scum.
Didn't find a single redeeming factor about them.

Sure the order kidnaps people and converts them, but they seems to be happy afterwards.
They searching for an artifact (that I think they believe should save the world), so they rob people out of their artifacts, and keep the town closed.
But...
They seems to give to the community (at least Belschwur from Harbour Town)
They keep the order, with patrols and guards.
But the bandits.... didn't find anything good about them.

[lionhart]

I cannot explain what is bad about the Order without giving away major spoilers for the second half of the game. Let's just say, it turns out that the Inquisitor is not one of the good guys after all, and his men unfortunately continue to follow him blindly even after his insanity becomes apparent.

The bandits are morally ambiguous. If you side with the bandits, you will help them to retake the town in chapter 3. If you ask around town after the Don returns, you will find out that some people are happy to have him back, and other people are upset about it, which I think is very realistic. I do like Fincher, the bandit captain; he is a good leader and he seems to care about the well-being of his men.

You can still play melee even if you join the Order. They encourage the use of the staff but it is not required. You can use a sword, and learn sword fighting from Edgar in the town, even as a member of the Order.

[Bilgot the Heartless]

"The order kidnaps people and converts them, but they seems to be happy afterwards". They MUST be happy.

[MaximB]

Would I get the answer to my questions only if I join the order? or if I'll keep playing as Bandit I will also get the same answers?

[Oneeyed]

No the order does not kidnap people and converts them. That is just the lie people from the bandits tell.

Only people who break the law get imprisoned in the monastery for a while and if they join the order the get a early release for their crimes.

People who won't join the order will just sit in the monastery as a form of prison and they dont suffer any other kind of punishment. In fact the punishment for crimes from the inquisition is much lighter then even most european crime punishements.

The prove is what happens to Scordo if you rat him out and the ends up in the monastery.

[DelinQ_RE]

İlk olarak Oneeyed tarafından gönderildi:

No the order does not kidnap people and converts them. That is just the lie people from the bandits tell.

Only people who break the law get imprisoned in the monastery for a while and if they join the order the get a early release for their crimes.

People who won't join the order will just sit in the monastery as a form of prison and they dont suffer any other kind of punishment. In fact the punishment for crimes from the inquisition is much lighter then even most european crime punishements.

The prove is what happens to Scordo if you rat him out and the ends up in the monastery.

You do realise that breaking the law means "being outside" and "not being one of us"?

please don't ever talk about "european crime punishments" with such a comparison ever again.

[Oneeyed]

İlk olarak DelinQ_RE tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Oneeyed tarafından gönderildi:

No the order does not kidnap people and converts them. That is just the lie people from the bandits tell.

Only people who break the law get imprisoned in the monastery for a while and if they join the order the get a early release for their crimes.

People who won't join the order will just sit in the monastery as a form of prison and they dont suffer any other kind of punishment. In fact the punishment for crimes from the inquisition is much lighter then even most european crime punishements.

The prove is what happens to Scordo if you rat him out and the ends up in the monastery.

You do realise that breaking the law means "being outside" and "not being one of us"?

please don't ever talk about "european crime punishments" with such a comparison ever again.

Well that is the law there because the island is full of monster now and they also talk about this in the game: being locked in the town is better then getting eaten by monsters.

Also getting imprisoned in a monastery and being completely free there is even less punishment than the usual european crime punishment like e.g. in Germany

[Bilgot the Heartless]

İlk olarak Oneeyed tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak DelinQ_RE tarafından gönderildi:

You do realise that breaking the law means "being outside" and "not being one of us"?

please don't ever talk about "european crime punishments" with such a comparison ever again.

Well that is the law there because the island is full of monster now and they also talk about this in the game: being locked in the town is better then getting eaten by monsters.

Some people like to be free and have a choice you know? "Being locked in the town is better than getting eaten by monsters". such a nice words for "Being a slave is better than risking a life to be free".

Well if life in monastery is so good in your opinion becasue you can sleep, eat, drink (of course you need to work) then yeah... But some people want more in life.

[Oneeyed]

İlk olarak Bilgot the Heartless tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Oneeyed tarafından gönderildi:

Well that is the law there because the island is full of monster now and they also talk about this in the game: being locked in the town is better then getting eaten by monsters.

Some people like to be free and have a choice you know? "Being locked in the town is better than getting eaten by monsters". such a nice words for "Being a slave is better than risking a life to be free".

Well if life in monastery is so good in your opinion becasue you can sleep, eat, drink (of course you need to work) then yeah... But some people want more from life.

Oh man! Are you realizing we still talking about a game?

And you should really get a lesson in what slavery means.

You belitte slavery because you compare it to a light country imprisonment in a large complex like the monastery where you have absolutely no duties and can sit at a fire place at night and grill yourself some meat, drink beer and talk to whomever you want.

[Bilgot the Heartless]

İlk olarak Oneeyed tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Bilgot the Heartless tarafından gönderildi:

Some people like to be free and have a choice you know? "Being locked in the town is better than getting eaten by monsters". such a nice words for "Being a slave is better than risking a life to be free".

Well if life in monastery is so good in your opinion becasue you can sleep, eat, drink (of course you need to work) then yeah... But some people want more from life.

Oh man! Are you realizing we still talking about a game?

And you should really get a lesson in what slavery means.

You belitte slavery because you compare it to a light country imprisonment in a large complex like the monastery where you have absolutely no duties and can sit at a fire place at night and grill yourself some meat, drink beer and talk to whomever you want.

Of course I know that we are talking about the game. I am not that one who makes comparisons to countries from Europe.

NPCs do nothing becasue developers can't do every script but that is the case of books/movies/games where people need to assume things. So there is nothing wrong that I assume NPCs need to work for that meat, drink or whatever. Becasue I don't see any logical reason in game nor any of NPCs says that The Order let you live here and they pay for everything, they give you food and drink and you can just sit here and do nothing. I assume they MUST do what the order says to get that food. The Order also needs "fresh meat" to fight with monsters so it's not like they are such a nice guys that want to save everyone.

In some cases slave and prisoner have the same meaning.

[lionhart]

İlk olarak MaximB tarafından gönderildi:

Would I get the answer to my questions only if I join the order? or if I'll keep playing as Bandit I will also get the same answers?

I don't want to get involved in the political argument going on here, but to answer your question: Yes, you will experience more or less the same events, and get the same story, no matter which faction you choose.

[MaximB]

İlk olarak lionhart tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak MaximB tarafından gönderildi:

Would I get the answer to my questions only if I join the order? or if I'll keep playing as Bandit I will also get the same answers?

I don't want to get involved in the political argument going on here, but to answer your question: Yes, you will experience more or less the same events, and get the same story, no matter which faction you choose.

Thank you.

Please play nice, people :)

[Lanani]

Friendly reminder for everyone to please stay civil and respectful with each other. Thanks.