Secrets discussion (SPOILERS! obviously)

[Fox!]

Similar to the first Season of The Last Door, Season 2 again features secrets. Those are events, objects or little side stories that you don't encounter during a normal playthrough. They can be hidden behind some really complicated or unexpected requirements. Since the game doesn't outright tell you when you find one it is unknown how many secrets exist and what their prerequisits are.

I want to uncover and document all of those secrets of season 2 with the community. So please share your thoughts, insights and ideas. Maybe it is helpful to look at a certain game file. You can (usually) find it at "C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\LocalLow\TheGameKitchen\TLDCE2\STATS.json" , "/Users/USERNAME/Library/Application Support/unity.TheGameKitchen.TLDCE2/STATS.json" for MAC users Thx to Shymain for the hint.It seems to track some metadata on your playthrough notably achievement progress and found secrets (entries like ["SECRET_08",true]).

Last Edit 26. Feb 2017

currently known secrets:

Episode 1: Vision in Hideout
The safe in the bricked up house can be opened with 2 combinations. Regularly you would find it on the pieces of paper and use 6-1-4-5. However if you reverse that combination (5-4-1-6) the safe will open as well and once you enter the hideout a cutscene will start playing. (SECRET_01 found by gwabgwab)

Episode 1: The Playwright
*secret names are not official but since it's the achievement for finding the first secret it fits*
East Hill - Inmate quarters - first room with the man on the chair
The man in that room will have a special dialogue if you walk around the room and step on multiple insects indicated by squishing sounds. (SECRET_02)

Episode 2: Hugo's roar
The Cliff
There is a crack in the wall outside the house. Stand close to it and after a moment you will hear a roar/moan/cry. Thats Hugo slowly changing. Wakefield will respond to the sound with a line. (SECRET_03)

Episode 2: Lost in the Sea
The Graveyard
Put down the flowers at the garve of Rose Carter.
Town Square - Beach area
Pick up the necklace that appears after a moment of waiting. Giving the necklace to the person in the window will make [him/her]? tell you about how Rose got lost about 7 years ago. Later in the episode you can find the remains of a body in cave under the cliffs. When inspecting it Wakefield remembers that the cave has been closed for about the same timeframe and concludes that this person is Rose Carter. (SECRET_04)

Episode 2: Master of Hypnotism
During the episode you navigate Professor Wright through his subconsciousness. Right a the beginning you get the option to "go elsewhere". Initially the is nothing to be found there but after waiting a bit he will say he sees something and you get an new option. At that point you can "Walk towards the fog" and basically send him through the veil. That will give you an extra line of dialogue. (SECRET_05 found out by Za Warudo)

Episode 3: Monster in the Hole
When you discover the hole on top of the hill, inpect it several times. After around 4 times Wakefield will not have a monologue but instead you will hear a metal like sound.
(SECRET_06 found by Josiah1221)

Episode 3: the crucifix
This secret mainly has 2 parts. First, at the start of the episode, tell Lord Donnán that you are religious. Second, near the end of the episode, after you have used the iron disc to open the secret passage, go back to the Hills and north to the marsh. There should now be a crucified wicker in the water. Inspect it and you're done. (SECRET_07 found by HuadanNox)

Episode 3: Christopher Lee Tribute
Once you enter the graveyard inspect the first top tombstone. The tombstone will only be active after your first playthrough of this episode. (SECRET_08)

Episode 4: The crying Painting
When you enter the house at the early stage of this episode there is a picture frame to the left of the entrance. Inspect it and stay in the close up of that painting. After a while you will hear what sounds like a baby crying. This sound will change to something monsterably. Wait until the complete transition is done (takes about a minute). (SECRET_09)

Episode 4: Secret melodies
Once the piano is repaired play a secret melody. Currently 2 melodies are known:
Fa# Sol La Re Mi Fa# Sol and Fa# Fa# La Sol# Fa# Mi Fa# (SECRET_10 found by Arriving Raptor)

Episode 4: Morse Drops
Early on in the episode you enter a house and find a creature in a cage. After you inspected it twice and watched a short interlude, you can pick up a key from the now empty cage. After doing that wait for a dripping sound to appear and wait even further until it stops. This secret will not count if you trigger certain events that overwrite the sound, such as entering the locked room with person on the bed. (SECRET_11 found out by Seagull Solo)

[cymatile]

I FOUND SECRET Nº 7!!

There might be something else, but after you use the Iron Disk, go back to the Hills and head to the marsh shore; there's a crucified Wicker Man there!! I looked in the Stats and it is secret 7!!!

[Fox!]

I can confirm SECRET_07. After opening the passage with the iron disc I went back to the Hill location and upwards to the lakeshore. There was a crucifed wicker in the water. I was there directly before doing the iron disc part and it was empty. So this must be the trigger. One more confirm pls and I'll add it to the list.

@josiah1221: there's programs for that very purpose. I used ILSpy and opened the CSharp_Assambly.dll to find my clues.

[Fox!]

One more thing I wanted to say regarding SECRET_08. the list in my Stats.json goes like this:
...
["ACH13_COFFIN_PAPER_1",true], <-- picking up the final notes in Ep7
["ACH13_COFFIN_PAPER_2",true],
["ACH13_COFFIN_PAPER_3",true],
["EP7_FINISHED",true], <-- finishing Ep7 regularly
["CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE",true], <-- repeating Ep7 for achievements
["SECRET_08",true], <-- don't know when or how
["WICKER_02",true], <-- inspecting the burning wickers I hadnt seen the first time
["WICKER_04",true],
["ACH5_02",true], <-- getting the missed achievements replaying
...
maybe it is somehow related the wicker men as well

Only 01 and 10 left for me, gonna go look for 01 now

[Nocturnus]

SECRET_08:

Just got that somehow... Let's recap what I did:
I continued my game from the point where I inspected the hill hole 4 times (SECRET_06; see my confirmation above)...
From there I walked through the screens trying to look at every hotspot several times in hope to find something unusual.
The carved stone next to the hole, the jagged rocks in the screen before, the broken fence, then I went to Donnán's mansion, looking at statues, into the backyard, bicycle and chain, swing, mill wheel, Kieran's Playroom door... nothing interesting really.
THEN I went back to the village and straight to the graveyard. Here I inspected the Christopher Lee tombstone and then the CRYPT, where I looked inside and listened (or better: read) to the voice from inside. Then I looked inside the crypt again and again.

Since the figure in the crypt and his mumbling seemed mysteriously to me, I now checked the stats.json and THERE IT IS: SECRET_08, true

So could someone check, if it is about looking into the crypt? Maybe without clicking away the figure's monologue and the close-up - just wait till it's closed automatically? Maybe it's looking inside again after the monologue? Maybe looking inside a third time?

[Nocturnus]

HuadanNox původně napsal:

I FOUND SECRET Nº 7!!

There might be something else, but after you use the Iron Disk, go back to the Hills and head to the marsh shore; there's a crucified Wicker Man there!! I looked in the Stats and it is secret 7!!!

Fox! původně napsal:

I can confirm SECRET_07. After opening the passage with the iron disc I went back to the Hill location and upwards to the lakeshore. There was a crucifed wicker in the water. I was there directly before doing the iron disc part and it was empty. So this must be the trigger. One more confirm pls and I'll add it to the list.

I confirm, too. Did as you both told (insert iron disc into mural), and there it is: Crucified wickerman at the lake in the hills and SECRET_07

[josiah1221]

Great Job HaudanNox! I now have SECRET_07 as well!

I also got SECRET_08! The Christopher Lee tribute grave is it!!! The reason I can confirm this is because through the 4 or 5 playthroughs of this episode (while I was searching for these secrets). I was never able to click on the first grave (no magnifying glass). For what ever reason it finally allowed me to click on it in my last playthrough (magnifying glass). Not sure if this is the trigger or just part of it but I had the iron disc and was revisiting all locations before opening the passage. Since I had not been able to click on the grave in previous playthroughs I immediately checked my STATS.json file before clicking on it, no SECRET_08. Then I clicked on the grave and immediately checked the STATS.json file again and sure enough there was SECRET_08!

This has been in my STATS.json file ever since I first completed the episode. ["EP7_FINISHED",true],["CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE",true]
Therefore, I think once you complete the episode and then restart the episode again the ability to click on the grave and get the secret is triggered. But now I'm puzzled as to why I haven't been able to click on the grave up until the last playthrough?! Either a glitch/bug or there are more steps involved?!

[Nocturnus]

josiah1221 původně napsal:

Great Job HaudanNox! I now have SECRET_07 as well!

I also got SECRET_08! The Christopher Lee tribute grave is it!!! The reason I can confirm this is because through the 4 or 5 playthroughs of this episode (while I was searching for these secrets). I was never able to click on the first grave (no magnifying glass). For what ever reason it finally allowed me to click on it in my last playthrough (magnifying glass). Not sure if this is the trigger or just part of it but I had the iron disc and was revisiting all locations before opening the passage. Since I had not been able to click on the grave in previous playthroughs I immediately checked my STATS.json file before clicking on it, no SECRET_08. Then I clicked on the grave and immediately checked the STATS.json file again and sure enough there was SECRET_08!

This has been in my STATS.json file ever since I first completed the episode. ["EP7_FINISHED",true],["CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE",true]
Therefore, I think once you complete the episode and then restart the episode again the ability to click on the grave and get the secret is triggered. But now I'm puzzled as to why I haven't been able to click on the grave up until the last playthrough?! Either a glitch/bug or there are more steps involved?!

This doesn't sound quite right to me, sorry. (No offense!)
I have seen Christopher Lee's grave in my first playthrough and had the entry '"CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE", true' since I stumbled across this secrets issue, but no SECRET_08.
That's one thing.. The other oddity is that CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE and SECRET_08 are per se two different entries in stats.json... If it is the same, why do you need two entries? A single one would have done the same job...

Sorry, as long as this is not confirmed by someone who acts and checks the stats really carefully, I'm not convinced yet. Although I have to admit I examined the grave right before I looked inside the crypt and checked stats.json tonight... so yeah, it was on my way, the possibility is given.

P.S.: The iron disc has nothing to do with secret08. When I got the secret somehow tonight, I didn't have the disc yet

[Fox!]

I did a quick test. I removed the SECRET_08 entry from my Stats, started the game and replayed Ep7 from the beginning. I went to the graveyard as quickly as possible as not to hit any triggers. When I got there i clicked on the first upper grave and got the line "In memoriam Christopher Lee". And exactly then i had a new SECRET_08 entry at the end of my Stats.

So it seems to me that it's actually just that easy. Though I would like someone who never had SECRET_08 to try it the way i did and confirm the method.

The entry CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE might be for watching the credits until his name appears. at least that constant comes up in the file for the credit sequence.

Edit: stumbled over a detail with SECRET_07: At the start of the episode you need to tell Lord Donnan that you are religious. If you don't the crucified wicker won't appear. just tested it speeding through Ep7. *Opening post edited*

[Nocturnus]

Ok, now I'm convinced.
Another confirmation wouldn't hurt though 😊

Good Job so far, lads! Only Two more to go!

[cymatile]

Fox! původně napsal:

I did a quick test. I removed the SECRET_08 entry from my Stats, started the game and replayed Ep7 from the beginning. I went to the graveyard as quickly as possible as not to hit any triggers. When I got there i clicked on the first upper grave and got the line "In memoriam Christopher Lee". And exactly then i had a new SECRET_08 entry at the end of my Stats.

So it seems to me that it's actually just that easy. Though I would like someone who never had SECRET_08 to try it the way i did and confirm the method.

The entry CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE might be for watching the credits until his name appears. at least that constant comes up in the file for the credit sequence.

Edit: stumbled over a detail with SECRET_07: At the start of the episode you need to tell Lord Donnan that you are religious. If you don't the crucified wicker won't appear. just tested it speeding through Ep7. *Opening post edited*

Wow, it never came to my mind you needed to say you were religious to Lord Donnan. No wonder I didn't get the secret before, I ALWAYS said I wasn't.

And it's kinda creepy as a lore detail... Wicker Men are supposed to be sacrifices to the gods, so the people in the island are maybe dropping hints of Wakefield's fate if he continues on his path

[Fox!]

Man, this SECRET_01 is really bugging me. From what Thalos and HuadanNox told us I assume you have to perform a sequence of actions before entering the opened safe. At that point (if you've done everything right) a cutscene should start.
So what are the conditions? there's very little you can do before taking the mask. I went back and forth between all locations, talked to everyone, used every item on everyone and everything...

I assume you have to find out what Konhe, Alexandre and Skidd were doing so you get a vision of it. But i'm honestly out of ideas.

[cymatile]

@Fox!

Do you think it might be linked with the safe achievement? Maybe opening it without help? Although for the few I can remember, I did use the hint, so probably not...

[Nijirobushi]

Yes, SECRET_01 is bugging me too. I'll list all combinations I did and did not work:
1) Going from the street to the hideout as quick as possible (memorizing the numbers to open the safe fast, not taking anything on the way).
2) Same as 1), but checking on the nun on the way.
3) Same as 2), but additionally checking on her before entering the hideout.
4) Taking the medal and talking to the military guy before opening the vault.
5) Same as 4) but additionally checking on Ms. Konhe.
6) Same as 5) but additionally checking on the patient in the mirror room.
7) Did all above but waiting more than 2 min in every place.
8) I also tried checking the hideout after every important milestone on the episode, such as showing mask to Ms. Konhe, finding the eye, giving the eye to the guy, entering the Crismon Nest and waking up Captain Skidd. After you talk to him, I couldn't find a way to return to the hideout.

I really don't know what other combination there might be...

[whomst the ♥♥♥♥]

Hey all, I've been lurking this thread while I've been running through my first playthrough in order to find the secrets as I go. Here's what I have to add:

I've tested trying to enable secret 01 (or what we're guessing it is) but I'm a little stuck. Learning about Captain Skidd through showing the soldier the medal before entering the room isn't just enough, but there's no other thing that can tell you about Skidd or Kohne's connection to Du Pré before getting the mask. Both times I tested this, just running through the game with that goal in mind and then playing similarly to my first playthrough. Each time I opened the safe AFTER the soldier's story, so maybe that has to do something with it?

Also, I can confirm that the Christopher Lee Tribute is Secret 8, but you can't actually trigger it on your first playthrough. My first playthrough, the gravestone in question wasn't an object of interest, but as soon as I finished the chapter and came back it was just as simple as running basically straight there. I checked the files, too, and ["CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE",true] only wrote after chapter 7's completion marker, so I think that trigger is what you need in order to actually look at the gravestone!

EDIT: I know for certain that the trigger came after the completion not just because the game's file wrote it that way, but also because basically after every progressive event I returned to the graveyard to try and get the gravestone, to no avail.

[Nijirobushi]

That makes totally sense! I was confused why SECRET_08 and CHRISTOPHER_LEE_TRIBUTE were both the same. But what you say makes sense: the former can only be obtained when the tribute flag is enabled, which happens when you finish the episode.

With that I understand too why I couldn't remember seeing this grave on my first playthrough. I'm usually very careful clicking on everything :P