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Daxank

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:34am

Devs blaming their publisher for scamming them

Which is odd because until today their publisher was Gathering tree
But if we check steam database, we can see that Gathering tree was only their publisher after 2019 (few months after the keys that have been revoked were sold)

So who was the publisher before 2019?

Steam database reveals that it was Pera Games
https://steamdb.info/app/402310/history/

The same publishers that are publishing the game now

EDIT: The devs have actually named their previous publishers but it's still odd that they never displayed them as their publishers on the store page

Last edited by Daxank; Apr 2, 2021 @ 4:12pm

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Originally posted by cibram:

Originally posted by TBBle:
Originally posted by Daxank:
Which is odd because until today their publisher was Gathering tree
But if we check steam database, we can see that Gathering tree was only their publisher after 2019 (few months after the keys that have been revoked were sold)

So who was the publisher before 2019?

Steam database reveals that it was Pera Games
https://steamdb.info/app/402310/history/

The same publishers that are publishing the game now

Gathering Tree didn't exist until early 2019, and Pera Games ceased operation in mid-2019, which is after the bundle in question, so Gathering Tree couldn't have been the ones who were scammed.

From the link you gave, one can see that the publisher has "always" been Pera Games (since the details were added in February 2019[steamdb.info]. It's the Developer that changed to Gathering Tree in June 2019[steamdb.info] and then changed back to Pera Games on April 1st[steamdb.info], 45 minutes after the review score started falling[steamdb.info].

The current pinned post (maybe it was updated after you posted?) clarifies that It's Pera Games who are claiming to have never been paid for a deal with Flying Interactive (presumably this Flying Interactive). Since the keys in the Fanatical bundles came from this batch, it seems likely that it was not someone pretending to be this (at the time) active publisher, unless the fooled both Pera Games and Fanatical.

Interestingly, WinGameStore[www.wingamestore.com] and MacGameStore[www.macgamestore.com] list Flying Interactive as the publisher for Overfall, and they're considered legit stores by IsThereAnyDeal[isthereanydeal.com] and also Flying Interactive[www.flyinginteractive.com] themselves.

Flying Interactive don't list Overfall anywhere on their site today. Sadly, the Wayback Machine can't see Flying Interactive's website from 2018, so we can't tell if they ever did.

Both WinGameStore and MacGameStore show Overfall as released either 4th May 2018 or 5th April 2018, which makes sense for the general timeline of an independent publisher (Flying Interactive) picking up an underperforming or past-its-prime title and trying to score some unrealised sales through other channels it already has relationships with, then eventually dropping it into a bundle later in 2018.

It's not clear who didn't pay whom; nor how the keys reportedly appearing on dodgy key-reselling sites got there, whether it was a publisher-scam, bulk-bundle-splitting, or even some confusion between dodgy key-reselling sites and (I assume) legitimate sites like WinGameStore.

On Steam’s backend system you can write whatever you want to that little text box. Yes, I can even write “Hello Daxank” as Overfall’s current publisher or developer. Many games have multiple developers and publishers. Even some of them write all of the people who worked on the development individually. And many games are being managed by multiple accounts, I think there are no limits for how much you add or how many you write.

Gathering Tree was never a publisher. If you scroll down at the steamdb link, you can see that I’ve added Gathering Tree as a “Developer” in 2019. The reason back then was to tell people we were a part of this game’s development, which is true.

And yes as @TBBle says I’ve removed it after the revocation, probably I shouldn’t have done that, because it took unnecessary attention.

I've reached Steam and gladly they've helped, and we got new keys for Fanatical customers. I’ve sent Fanatical the new keys and they made the announcement already telling that they are in the process of sending over them in the next couple of days.

Fanatical fellas told me to hold off making any further announcements to prevent further confusion but I couldn’t stop myself after seeing this post, I just don’t want Gathering Tree to be seen as a successor of Pera or Flying. After leaving Pera and working 2 years on a new game we’ve formed a fresh new company in 2019, with 10 people working on it right now and only 3 of them worked on Pera back in 2016.

I will continue to do my best and help both Steam and Fanatical to fix the issue, and hope the community understands.

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zeroxx

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:38am

What a scummy company. We should contact the valve. They are stealing peoples money.

Brother PaciFist Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:38am

*Insert spidermen meme here* You did this, no you.

Vandal

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:40am

Originally posted by Daxank:
Which is odd because until today their publisher was Gathering tree
But if we check steam database, we can see that Gathering tree was only their publisher after 2019 (few months after the keys that have been revoked were sold)

So who was the publisher before 2019?

Steam database reveals that it was Pera Games
https://steamdb.info/app/402310/history/

The same publishers that are publishing the game now

That's some good internet sleuthing there hahaha

PabOu.be [FR+EN] has Overfall

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:41am

Gathering tree is going to release a new game really soon. It's not a coincidence!
There's nothing to lose with the Pera Games account, so they removed the other publisher, to protect the game from the bad reputation Overfall is getting with this key revoking thing.

Pika! Pika! has Overfall

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:50am

I suppose you can still get it back it seems: https://steamcommunity.com/app/402310/discussions/0/3068614788761423239/

JVAHF

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:51am

Originally posted by PabOu.be FR+EN:
Gathering tree is going to release a new game really soon. It's not a coincidence!
There's nothing to lose with the Pera Games account, so they removed the other publisher, to protect the game from the bad reputation Overfall is getting with this key revoking thing.

Daxank

Apr 1, 2021 @ 7:51am

Originally posted by Pika! Pika!:
I suppose you can still get it back it seems: https://steamcommunity.com/app/402310/discussions/0/3068614788761423239/

As I said in the thread, I wouldn't trust giving any info to the devs.
As steam database proves that there's something wrong with their story

Gryphonheart has Overfall

Apr 1, 2021 @ 8:01am

I am going to report them (both companies) to Valve and then I am going to report them for fraud in Turkey (both companies are from Turkey). It's not about amount of money they stolen, but it's about illegal action they just did. Literaly something we paid for got taken away from us, without any reason.

fukot.sk [>] hidden bored gamer Apr 1, 2021 @ 8:03am

It may help this time, but this was in 2017:
You can lose a purchased game at any time
Valve knows about it, Valve doesn't do anything about it.
Valve is comfortable because it damages shops outside Valve (Steam is the only one secure games shop. All Steam codes can disappear at any time, but not games purchased directly through Steam):
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/2906376154320793429/

Gryphonheart has Overfall

Apr 1, 2021 @ 8:07am

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥.sk > hidden bored gamer:
It may help this time, but this was in 2017:
You can lose a purchased game at any time
Valve knows about it, Valve doesn't do anything about it.
Valve is comfortable because it damages shops outside Valve (Steam is the only one secure games shop. All Steam codes can disappear at any time, but not games purchased directly through Steam):
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/2906376154320793429/

It doesn't matter what "valve likes and want" and it doesn't matter what devs want and like as well. It's about law and international regulations. Have you ever heard about them?

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Tubzbuster has Overfall

Apr 1, 2021 @ 8:08am

Devs blaming customers for using a legitimate retailer site and saying we shouldn't trust 3rd parties, lol

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fukot.sk [>] hidden bored gamer Apr 1, 2021 @ 8:09am

Originally posted by Gryphonheart:
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥.sk > hidden bored gamer:
It may help this time, but this was in 2017:
You can lose a purchased game at any time
Valve knows about it, Valve doesn't do anything about it.
Valve is comfortable because it damages shops outside Valve (Steam is the only one secure games shop. All Steam codes can disappear at any time, but not games purchased directly through Steam):
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/2906376154320793429/

It doesn't matter what "valve likes and want" and it doesn't matter what devs want and like as well. It's about law and international regulations. Have you ever heard about them?

No, tell me about it.

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SaiZaro

Apr 1, 2021 @ 8:10am

Well considering that official website doesn't work and their twitter account is Suspended I wouldn't trust them at all - it looks more like taking money (and maybe new emails) and running away situation

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