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And this has been on 3 completely different computers, so I'm buying that "bugs rarely happen" thing less and less.
That's not the worst though, the worst is the game itself. They designed one decent first level for their "spree shooter game" concept then the rest of the levels are just insultingly lazy and slapped together standard shooter levels. Not even standard shooter levels, because not many "standard shooters" have the nerve to make a sewer level, a subway level, and an empty "train station" level with generic civilian spawn points to make sure they can still claim it is keeping with it's concept.
Oh yeah, that wasn't a subway tunnel level or some level like other action games where you are fighting through a subway then on top or something, litterally just a subway. Just kill the people who are sitting down. Just go in one direction. "Oh but it's just fun to shoot the people" yes it was in that first level, but when it's as linear as the rest of the game you are just better off watching violent videos or something. I get nothing out of the "shoot people" game concept if it's almost on rails. The thing that makes that idea kind of fun is the idea of player agency, not just pressing a button and watching the same civilian death over and over with the same screams over and over.
Oh but it's ok, because the devs were having a laugh, it's comedy so don't criticize it. No, I think devs were just making money, at our expense. They knew all they had to really work on was that first level and the rest could just be any collection of crap. They probably even joked that gamers would be dumb enough to buy anything as long as the trailer looked edgy and fun.
I'm glad they lowered the price but that 20 dollar price they sold it at for so long is just an insult to all of their fans who sadly still defend their game by attacking anyone who tries to say anything negative about it (check out the review page sometime) the fans who are being drained of their money by lazy crap like this and isis defense.
Sorry, I was pretty nice towards the game earlier if you recall but hearing "the game has no bugs" or "bugs are very rare" (which seems to be the line the hatred fans have written on their hand) just makes me want to list all the problems with the game. It's a ripoff. It's not a bad game or a fun sendup, it was a way to milk people out of their money. It's an insult to gaming in general.
Still midly amusing first level though. Get it if it's on sale, or if 10 bucks doesn't mean that much to you.
At least my Hatred shirt still finds use as a ♥♥♥-rag.
A lot. A lot that will never get addressed since not enough people will ♥♥♥♥♥ about it. Only me and one other fan AVPMARINE had been the most vocal about it in the past but nobody would take any of our complaints seriously, even with screenshot evidence. We beta tested the survival update and I don't think anything we brought up was ever fixed so what was the point of even having testers?
DC literally went back to a game that was fine for three months and then screwed things up in that survival content update and then left them broken and no official statement was ever made publically that they know ♥♥♥♥ is broken (which is proof right there that they know things aren't right) other than behind the scenes stuff I'd gather like Jarek apparently being like 'yeah we know it's broken but we don't got the time/money to fix it.' I guess Hatred didn't sell as well as they hoped? So let's try the controversy thing a second time with IS Defense. That went so well the first time right?
They are horrible developers and Jarek is a terrible businessman and for DC as a whole 100% of the problems can be chalked up to Epic being inadequate with their engine updates. I realize it's a new engine and there isn't a single release candidate that can be considered 'stable' last I heard and official support from Epic is supposedly difficult to get reliable responses from and devs working with UE4 are more likely to get better help from other devs who are also using UE4 but I seriously think DC just sweeped most if not all the problems Hatred currently has under the carpet and flat out denies at times that they've anything to do with it besides the engine updates that broke ♥♥♥♥. Broke their ♥♥♥♥ I might add.
Need I not forget, when DC_vipeout said something along the lines of 'But if we were to go back and try to fix this one tiny bug it would open up a massive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for more bugs inside to come out and then they'd create new ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ themselves and it'd just be a horrible buggy mess. And we don't want to do that. ;)' seriously go ask him yourselves if you don't believe me it was on the DC forums at one point so you might be able to find it. That just screams to me 'we don't know what the ♥♥♥♥ we're doing and our game is running on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck atm so any more tinkering around in there and the whole game will come down and tear itself apart at the seams and collapse into an unplayable mess we'd have no hope in hell of recovering.'
For me personally the pre-survival build loads up a lot faster (probably from cutting out all the fat) and the base game with the exceptions of Marina's hotel and Downtown get surprisingly good frame rates since my graphics was upgraded a while back + more RAM. It averages around 40-50 with 30 and sometimes 20 in the game's known trouble spots. It rarely ever dips into the teens anymore. I found the current build doesn't really run that much better even with the nerfed destruction and flatter lighting and other effects and it just ends up looking and somehow feeling worse to play. The new side quests and difficulties don't add much, and none of the mods, even the more promising ones, are anywhere near a state of polish to be considered finished or playable.
Oh, and anything wrong with the game in this build tech-wise has not gone away since, that is DC to blame for their inadequacies. If you really want unstable try the May 28 and June 1 releases. Patch 6/July 2nd or whichever was perfect and had this been the same build improved upon since I wouldn't of had any problems or complaints. They literally nerfed their game for no good reason besides those less fortunate trying to play it on their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ laptops or some garbage PC. It had already been optimized on patch 6, I'd know because I was Test Rig B and DC bought my parts at the time. But did they take away from the game's visual fidelity? Not that I could tell, it still looked like the trailers as far as I was concerned, and it was the best update for the game to come out since.
So about that wonderful implementation of ragdolls (which have never worked right) the bodies should ragdoll retardedly while on the ground instead of reliably go down the same way each time and uh, stay dead like a corpse should? Are the mocapped animations for their deaths before they go down not good enough? What about bodies going stiff during cinematic executions? That's not very realistic looking. But hey, if a tree falls down in the woods somewhere does it make a sound? Well if you can't see the tree, then I guess it's not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ there. Analogy for DC game development and blind fanboy support.
It did, as well as a level editor.
Did you mean to quote me? I guess I didn't think cyan "nuked" the forums. I did bother them for a bit, out of good fun. You would think devs who love to live off of controversy would be a bit less sensitive. Same with the fanbase.
Okay why don't you go seek the facts yourself then if my credibility isn't valid enough instead of pretending to be ignorant due to my drastic actions in order to get my reaction as I find it hard to believe you and the rest would really be that stupid.
Why I nuked the place should be obvious of my disgruntlement. I wouldn't just do it for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles you know, it would've never crossed my mind a year ago. I was there since day 1 almost and followed the game's development religiously and considered DC to be my new favorite indie dev. My name's in the credits and I got along with pretty much everyone at DC and supported them in every decision they made until they started rubbing me the wrong way.
I know what I did wasn't the best way to get my point across, but I was getting sick of the deliberate idiocy of most of the so-called fans of that community and the lack of feedback from a dev I thought cared. And I'm obviously not the only one who felt the same way either. Oh well, what's done is done.
E: It occurred to me that you didn't even take me seriously before I nuked the forums, so that was a straight lie. You never cared, so don't pretend like all the sudden you would've had I not of done what I did. Idiot.
I'm sure all 5 people that use that forum are devestated they couldn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for a few days.
To get this thread back on topic, I don't like the original, I find it clunky, ugly and annoying. The Redux is shaping up to be the better choice with fuller color, smoother gameplay, extra eye candy and better support all around. The only thing it lacks is some of the extra grisly details like better looking blood. Blood streaks behind crawling bodies are the kind of details I admire.
Once the expansion levels are released, and the japanese ones, plus everything that follows, I fail to see why anyone would want to play the original expect for pure nostalgic reasons.
You don't have a point. You lost it when you did something stupid. You couldn't get what you want so you decided to nuke the forums which was bad. Not very productive and alienates any possible support you had.
And you're just Cyan's boyfriend. Questionable to say the least.
On Redux, I cannot wait for the next update. It's going to be something special.
You act like it was an act of cyber terrorism, it was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ forum with like 4-5 regulars who just ♥♥♥♥-post in the off-topic section. When the forum got nuked, the one thread created was mostly edgy ♥♥♥♥-posting. Before it got nuked, ♥♥♥♥-posting, and after it got restored, guess what? Go ahead and go there now. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Absolutely nothing of importance. Reporting bugs is pointless, it gets shrugged off or called a feature, like the shotgun reload bug. Other people have voiced the same problems, you're just being lazy and looking for an excuse to defend a game being held together with wet toilet paper and bubblegum.
Your ignorance is more questionable, but everyone is free to believe what they want. In the end it matters not to me except I feel burned wasting $20 on that ♥♥♥♥ beacuse DC don't know how to be good devs and fix their product, instead being much more concerned with making a buzz, getting your money, and moving on. How dare I expect a dev to fix their game I spent money on. The game is practically dead mod-wise, I wonder why?
BTW, weren't you banned from the Hatred steam forums?
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