The new "Server Rules" are bad

[Amy Immernacht]

As a person who owned Garry's Mod since the game was released I liked the fact that this game didn't limit you or the players in what they could do or wanted to do.

It seems like we have finally lost that freedom in favor of bs political correctnes in video games and to prevent Karens from going rage mode cause their kids clicked on something they weren't supposed to see.
Reading through these guidelines and having a understanding of the technicality of how a server operates, since I operate a server myself, I can tell that these "rules" are ridicilously absurd and completely invade into the server operators free decision making process of "Do I need to edit this or not?"

Not to mention that anything can vaguely be described as "sexual violence" these days.
That plus the fact that any NSFW Roleplaying job or action is now considered bannable.

GG Facepunch (Garry's Mod), you finally put the nail in your own coffin.

The only reason why this game was so alive for all the years was because of it's freedom the people had to do whatever they wanted (IN THEIR OWN SERVERS THEY OWN AND PAY FOR), now you try to invade into peoples privacy and make them do what you want them to do? Oh, how we have fallen...

If a server sais 18+, then it's 18+. Don't click on it if you are not 18+.
If a Server Owner decides to be a a**hat, then so be it, It's his 4 digital walls, his house.
If the Server Owner decides that he needs to change some files then so be it, cause it's HIS or HER server folder!

This is internet. Jesus Christ!
Every person on the internet knows that kids will ALWAYS find a way to see something they weren't supposed to see cause their parents simply don't give af about it or they are plainly put bad at parenting.

Why punish the mayority of the community for something a small minory does wrong?
In legal terms you would call this collective punishment, the dumbest and worst type of punishment to be existing on this planet.

(To the people wo will go: "LOL **** is mad cause they are affected"
Funny enough "regular" people would be just as outraged as if Facepunch would decide "All custom vehicles are now banned due to copyright/brand reasons")

[Lion of Zion]

Worst part about the new rules is that Garry locked the update thread right after he made a reply. He knew the fallout from the update was too much for him to handle, so he locked the thread because he lost the argument. His toxic and childish response was hostile towards the Steam community and he should be disciplined by Valve. I would have just made another announcement reinforcing my position rather than hiding behind Valve and crying wolf.

Take a stand Garry, open the thread and make another one reinforcing your position. Locking things away or banning people when they say something you don't like makes you just as bad as the people you're trying to keep out of the Community.

If you want to go down the PC road it's a slippery slope that only gets steeper and ultimately becomes the very thing it's trying to stop.

Also Garry your new 'rules' fall foul of Japanese law, you might want to amend it for Japanese users and servers!

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Escrito originalmente por Oom-Pa-Loom-Pa:

Worst part about the new rules is that Garry locked the update thread right after he made a reply. He knew the fallout from the update was too much for him to handle, so he locked the thread because he lost the argument. His toxic and childish response was hostile towards the Steam community and he should be disciplined by Valve. I would have just made another announcement reinforcing my position rather than hiding behind Valve and crying wolf. :china:

Take a stand Garry, open the thread and make another one reinforcing your position. Locking things away or banning people when they say something you don't like makes you just as bad as the people you're trying to keep out of the Community.

If you want to go down the PC road it's a slippery slope that only gets steeper and ultimately becomes the very thing it's trying to stop.

Also Garry your new 'rules' fall foul of Japanese law, you might want to amend it for Japanese users and servers!

That's the part that got me angry enough to join the posts. It's already bad enough, and I would have responded to Garyr directly....instead he just ran away after pushing me like a little child so he didn't have to hear anything against him. He's in his own imaginary world where he can't possible have made any misstep or acted immorally, and you just need to accept it.

I do wonder, how does it run afoul of japanese law? I know how it's unenforcable, and possibly coersive, in American law but japanese? Im curious

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Escrito originalmente por Unclean Nurgle velk.ca:

You'd need at least a few months playtime in every schema to realize this but we've got micro communities that have; Built player catalogues where they list people by steam profiles and basically spread libel about them being pedophile furry puppy rapists and everything under the sun in great fictional detail. (Roleplayer's Catalogue.) Actual gangs of hackers who strip server data and wipe anything that isn't backed up using backdoors, while gathering personal info. We've had extremely complex love triangles that involve infidelity and grooming through sexual content like ERP etc. Developers who coded for the server to install backdoors all the while. Mind you this ♥♥♥♥ bleeds into your personal life, some folks have been doxxed and lost their jobs due to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ phone calls to their workplace, and pretty intimate relationships, including marriages, have been ruined by ERP and Sexting both ingame, over discord, and via video calls.

Beyond all that serious bipartisan scummery, there are plenty of servers with intense disturbing themes, and trust me not everyone playing them are in on it just for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles.

So....crimes were happening. This is the internet. those thins occur. All of these are various levels of crimes. The phone call to employer one is false termination and a bigger issue about employee rights and the same "it's my business I can do w/e I want" bullcrap hitting it's logical end. The rest are crimes, they are the job of the police to shut down. Facepunchs own requirement and job is to collect data and forward it to authorities. They don't even have to ban unless the police order it removed. In fact, banning it WITHOUT forwarding it the police is obstruction of justice. And NONE of this was addressed by the rules, or Garry's statements. Garry doesn't care about these level threats, only what his imaginary caricature of his mother thinks, and Facepunch put the marketing department in charge and included a passive aggressive insult built on slang. So these issues weren't even discussed or brought up AT ALL.

I grasp what you're getting at, but they aren't the reason Facepunch and Garry did anything. Minecraft has these issues to. Hell, go watch FitMC, he details several times these occured on 2b2t, and the police were informed and involved right away so the server didn't "need" to do anything. Nor is this the first game to have this crap. And they explicitly do have to deal with 12 year olds.

[Unclean Nurgle]

Escrito originalmente por Oom-Pa-Loom-Pa:

Worst part about the new rules is that Garry locked the update thread right after he made a reply. He knew the fallout from the update was too much for him to handle, so he locked the thread because he lost the argument. His toxic and childish response was hostile towards the Steam community and he should be disciplined by Valve. I would have just made another announcement reinforcing my position rather than hiding behind Valve and crying wolf. :china:

Take a stand Garry, open the thread and make another one reinforcing your position. Locking things away or banning people when they say something you don't like makes you just as bad as the people you're trying to keep out of the Community.

If you want to go down the PC road it's a slippery slope that only gets steeper and ultimately becomes the very thing it's trying to stop.

Also Garry your new 'rules' fall foul of Japanese law, you might want to amend it for Japanese users and servers!

Oof, delusional, borderlind schizo modern politics. Nobody wants you here friend, take that ♥♥♥♥ back to reddit. Don't forget all the voices in your head too.

[Unclean Nurgle]

Escrito originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

Escrito originalmente por Unclean Nurgle velk.ca:

You'd need at least a few months playtime in every schema to realize this but we've got micro communities that have; Built player catalogues where they list people by steam profiles and basically spread libel about them being pedophile furry puppy rapists and everything under the sun in great fictional detail. (Roleplayer's Catalogue.) Actual gangs of hackers who strip server data and wipe anything that isn't backed up using backdoors, while gathering personal info. We've had extremely complex love triangles that involve infidelity and grooming through sexual content like ERP etc. Developers who coded for the server to install backdoors all the while. Mind you this ♥♥♥♥ bleeds into your personal life, some folks have been doxxed and lost their jobs due to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ phone calls to their workplace, and pretty intimate relationships, including marriages, have been ruined by ERP and Sexting both ingame, over discord, and via video calls.

Beyond all that serious bipartisan scummery, there are plenty of servers with intense disturbing themes, and trust me not everyone playing them are in on it just for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles.

So....crimes were happening. This is the internet. those thins occur. All of these are various levels of crimes. The phone call to employer one is false termination and a bigger issue about employee rights and the same "it's my business I can do w/e I want" bullcrap hitting it's logical end. The rest are crimes, they are the job of the police to shut down. Facepunchs own requirement and job is to collect data and forward it to authorities. They don't even have to ban unless the police order it removed. In fact, banning it WITHOUT forwarding it the police is obstruction of justice. And NONE of this was addressed by the rules, or Garry's statements. Garry doesn't care about these level threats, only what his imaginary caricature of his mother thinks, and Facepunch put the marketing department in charge and included a passive aggressive insult built on slang. So these issues weren't even discussed or brought up AT ALL.

I grasp what you're getting at, but they aren't the reason Facepunch and Garry did anything. Minecraft has these issues to. Hell, go watch FitMC, he details several times these occured on 2b2t, and the police were informed and involved right away so the server didn't "need" to do anything. Nor is this the first game to have this crap. And they explicitly do have to deal with 12 year olds.

What a naive unrealistic argument, you strike me in the same fashion that mouth piece politicians do. I've absolutely no interest in bringing unproductive, incompetent babbling, that represents what people think of as current day politics- Into this game.

Shed off that asinine delusion that this has something to do with political correctness or social justice. We've already explained it in circles, Garry Newman had his attention brought back to a aged game and subsequently had to enforce rules to tide the growing presence of scummery.

Obviously it is beyond Facepunch to monitor every user in the game let alone several dozen reports, they don't have the community infrastructure or software to do so. This expectation that they'll create a Garrysmod bureau of investigation to wax pedophiles, is comically out of touch.

Being a nazi is not illegal, neither is being racist. But these are still little issues that the majority of people want veiled from their precious line of sight.

[Billy]

Escrito originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

Or because people are pissed something important to them is being ripped from them by threat and they don't like their literal property is being laid claim to. And no one knew about the gameanalytics spywere because Garry outright tried to HIDE it. He even broke the agreement is made with the company in question by not informing and receiving consent every single time data is collected(which if gameanalytics doesn't enforce could see serious criminal charged to both them and Garry)

"something important to them" its a fukn distasteful joke addon that people could literally go without, if people are that scared about servers getting blacklisted you can just remove the addon

I do agree with the rest of the statement if its true though

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Escrito originalmente por Unclean Nurgle velk.ca:

What a naive unrealistic argument, you strike me in the same fashion that mouth piece politicians do. I've absolutely no interest in bringing unproductive, incompetent babbling, that represents what people think of as current day politics- Into this game.

Shed off that asinine delusion that this has something to do with political correctness or social justice. We've already explained it in circles, Garry Newman had his attention brought back to a aged game and subsequently had to enforce rules to tide the growing presence of scummery.

Obviously it is beyond Facepunch to monitor every user in the game let alone several dozen reports, they don't have the community infrastructure or software to do so. This expectation that they'll create a Garrysmod bureau of investigation to wax pedophiles, is comically out of touch.

Being a nazi is not illegal, neither is being racist. But these are still little issues that the majority of people want veiled from their precious line of sight.

How is "report things to the police first, in fact reporting them to the police is -required- and anything less than record and report is illegal" in any way naive of unrealistic. I barely grasp the mindset needed to call it unrealistic, and naive is just way off.

As for a mouthpeace of a politician? I never used the terms political correctness or social justice. I have no idea who this mystical "we" that explained anything is, nor do you have any proof that Garry was motivated by anything other than his own momentary selfish indigence. I also never played the Godwin card, you did. Which one of us is political again? you might wanna try using a mirror before you insult me.

And third, I couldn't less what "the public" wants veiled. I've been consistent: You do not act in malice against or apply force against anyone on the basis you have disdain for their moral caliber. There's a lot of things I don't like, but I have no right to demand their exile for it. "I think it's icky" isn't enough to ban anyone. Shame? sure. Not wishing to play games with those people? Sure. Wanna RDM someone for it? Go for it. Want to start threatening people with permanent exile and making them live in fear of their own thoughts and ideas knowing that any slip of them toward people in the game they love will get that thing stolen from them? Go to hell.

Escrito originalmente por BillboDragons:

"something important to them" its a distasteful joke addon that people could literally go without, if people are that scared about servers getting blacklisted you can just remove the addon

I do agree with the rest of the statement if its true though

The something important is the game Gmod. This is not nor has ever been about an addon. The rules of Facepunch demand "not being a ♥♥♥♥," "not putting up anything appropriate for the target audience"(which is purposely unclear at best,) and "do not speak anything harmful to Facepunch at our discretion." Garry states he would remove anything he couldn't justify to the imaginary caricature of his mother in his head. None of this has anything to do with an addon. And given these actions can be done and hosted solely by users, the server is by the logic YOU presented, forced to "remove" it by enforcing these standards on users.

I really dont get how people keep demanding "this is only about one addon." Not to pick on you, you're just the most immediate response.

[SP4NKER]

Sorry guys, it's called "garry's mod".

I already saw the game literally on the news once-- but it was funny, typical gmod gameplay. I'm sure Garry laughed about it until he came to notice the more questionable servers. Then all he had to do was imagine if that content was being aired on the news.

He said it himself: "Like it or not, that's my name above the door so it's going to conform to my morals."

[Brewster T. Koopa]

Escrito originalmente por spanker:

Sorry guys, it's called "garry's mod".

I already saw the game literally on the news once-- but it was funny, typical gmod gameplay. I'm sure Garry laughed about it until he came to notice the more questionable servers. Then all he had to do was imagine if that content was being aired on the news.

He said it himself: "Like it or not, that's my name above the door so it's going to conform to my morals."

Finally, someone with common sense.

[UCEY]

Escrito originalmente por spanker:

Sorry guys, it's called "garry's mod".

I already saw the game literally on the news once-- but it was funny, typical gmod gameplay. I'm sure Garry laughed about it until he came to notice the more questionable servers. Then all he had to do was imagine if that content was being aired on the news.

He said it himself: "Like it or not, that's my name above the door so it's going to conform to my morals."

The news boradcast was fake. If you look up the provider then you'll see that it doesn't exist

[SP4NKER]

Escrito originalmente por Safety Doggo:

Escrito originalmente por spanker:

Sorry guys, it's called "garry's mod".

I already saw the game literally on the news once-- but it was funny, typical gmod gameplay. I'm sure Garry laughed about it until he came to notice the more questionable servers. Then all he had to do was imagine if that content was being aired on the news.

He said it himself: "Like it or not, that's my name above the door so it's going to conform to my morals."

The news boradcast was fake. If you look up the provider then you'll see that it doesn't exist

Real or fake, the thought is what matters.