you really should add weapons!!!! melee weapons

[PainKiller]

like was in the previos title... its boring game if it scares you onl becouse u cant defend your self..
if this is the case you gonna lose the sales.

[bronsky]

Please stop the hypocrisy about violence in Lovecraft's stories. They are full of guns (Herbert West, Pickman's model, The Whisperer in Darkness, Shadow over Innsmouth, Call of Cthulhu...) or even more exotic weapons (flamethrower and acid in The Shunned House). Violence and weapons are often the best mean to solve the problems, like in the original Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game. So no good reason not to use guns in a CoC game, except a misunderstanding of the CoC universe.

[Vanguard]

Originally posted by PainKiller:

like was in the previos title... its boring game if it scares you onl becouse u cant defend your self..
if this is the case you gonna lose the sales.

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[GodKing Zan]

Originally posted by bronsky:

The Whisperer in Darkness, Shadow over Innsmouth, Call of Cthulhu...

You do a disservice to yourself by quoting those three stories. Whisper in Darkness they exchanged shots with a hermit and his dogs. Shadow over Innsmouth ended with the main character running away, there were guns but it was the military coming in to clean up the town. Call of Cthulhu had everyone die except one guy and he ran over Cthulhu with his boat, the guns in this story were completely innefective.

[bronsky]

The Whisperer in Darkness: "I put out the light and used the windows for loopholes, and raked all around the house with rifle fire aimed just high enough not to hit the dogs. That seemed to end the business, but in the morning I found great pools of blood in the yard, besides pools of a green sticky stuff that had the worst odour I have ever smelled."
The Call of Cthulhu: " Duty came first; and although there must have been nearly a hundred mongrel celebrants in the throng, the police relied on their firearms and plunged determinedly into the nauseous rout. For five minutes the resultant din and chaos were beyond description. Wild blows were struck, shots were fired, and escapes were made"
The Shadow Over Innsmouth: "The public first learned of it in February, when a vast series of raids and arrests occurred, followed by the deliberate burning and dynamiting - under suitable precautions - of an enormous number of crumbling, worm-eaten, and supposedly empty houses along the abandoned waterfront. "
Nothing to say about the others? Maybe because they are even more explicit? I can go on, as there are many more, including Lovecraft's most famous stories. The evil humans and monsters often get killed, by violent means or spells.

[GodKing Zan]

WiD: Congrats, you shot something. It also did not effect the story in the slightest.
CoC: Shooting things is pretty simple when you are a bunch of police officers and the other side has nothing but a bunch of negligibly armed nut jobs.
SoI: That's exactly what I stated? They were a bunch of fish people getting sweeped up by the military.

I did not go into the others simply because those three were the ones that came to mind. If you want I can go reread those ones though so I'm less rusty.

You are one detective going against monsters and crazed psychopaths. What, do you want to go CoD on them or something? Noone ever said you cant kill some of Lovecrafts monsters. The issue is doing it effectively. One detective who has not a clue what he is getting into is NOT going to solve this problem with a gun or a club.

[bronsky]

Originally posted by Shajak:

WiD: One detective who has not a clue what he is getting into is NOT going to solve this problem with a gun or a club.

Totally agree. But that's usually what he uses to solve the problem when he discovers what's going on, and what helps him survive till then. That's the way Call of Cthulhu and many Lovecraft stories have always been. Lovecraft based games only consisting in solving mysteries and banning guns is a legend.

[PainKiller]

Originally posted by bronsky:

Originally posted by Shajak:

WiD: One detective who has not a clue what he is getting into is NOT going to solve this problem with a gun or a club.

Totally agree. But that's usually what he uses to solve the problem when he discovers what's going on, and what helps him survive till then. That's the way Call of Cthulhu and many Lovecraft stories have always been. Lovecraft based games only consisting in solving mysteries and banning guns is a legend.

solve problems with moinsters and satan cult? waw new lvl of retardness

[PainKiller]

Originally posted by bronsky:

Originally posted by Shajak:

WiD: One detective who has not a clue what he is getting into is NOT going to solve this problem with a gun or a club.

Totally agree. But that's usually what he uses to solve the problem when he discovers what's going on, and what helps him survive till then. That's the way Call of Cthulhu and many Lovecraft stories have always been. Lovecraft based games only consisting in solving mysteries and banning guns is a legend.

just for notice. if u ever played the older gamnes. there is like 30% of a game is detective till you find out what happening. and then u grab your gear

[Rūshi 🎂]

I'd just like to point out that having guns in game doesnt instantly turn it into run and gun whacky fun time. If its done similary like in alien isolation then its completly fine.

[DrZann]

Originally posted by Spooshi:

I'd just like to point out that having guns in game doesnt instantly turn it into run and gun whacky fun time. If its done similary like in alien isolation then its completly fine.

We are in luck then since a gun is in this game.

[GodKing Zan]

Originally posted by PainKiller:

lol you are a total troll.

Accusing someone of being a troll in your own thread when they make a valid argument. Sounds like a great idea. How about you think of your own counter argument so we can discuss things like mature people?

Originally posted by bronsky:

Totally agree. But that's usually what he uses to solve the problem when he discovers what's going on, and what helps him survive till then. That's the way Call of Cthulhu and many Lovecraft stories have always been. Lovecraft based games only consisting in solving mysteries and banning guns is a legend.

I can definitely see where your coming from. The issue is there are just as many stories where guns dont solve the problem whatsoever. In this case I feel the game is trying to emulate THOSE stories.

On a side note I would like to thank you for discussing this like a mature person. It seems to be incredibly hard to get into a nice discussion with someone about Lovecraft these days.

[bronsky]

Originally posted by Shajak:

Originally posted by PainKiller:

lol you are a total troll.

Accusing someone of being a troll in your own thread when they make a valid argument. Sounds like a great idea. How about you think of your own counter argument so we can discuss things like mature people?

Originally posted by bronsky:

Totally agree. But that's usually what he uses to solve the problem when he discovers what's going on, and what helps him survive till then. That's the way Call of Cthulhu and many Lovecraft stories have always been. Lovecraft based games only consisting in solving mysteries and banning guns is a legend.

I can definitely see where your coming from. The issue is there are just as many stories where guns dont solve the problem whatsoever. In this case I feel the game is trying to emulate THOSE stories.

On a side note I would like to thank you for discussing this like a mature person. It seems to be incredibly hard to get into a nice discussion with someone about Lovecraft these days.

You're welcome. I used to be a Keeper in the CoC RPG. I love Lovecraft but I also consider that even if he's brilliant from a literary point of view, his stories need to be "spiced up" to be turned into a great movie or gaming experience, like in the Call of Cthulhu RPG and in Dark Corners of the Earth. That's why artificially restricting the use of guns is not a good idea, in my opinion. It just makes things boring and in the end, it doesn't make a big difference. Lovecraft's universe is so desperate and hopeless that you need to distract people with action and make them believe that they can change something, if you want them to get involved and have fun.
Anyway, it's too late to change Cyanide's game. I hope it will be good, and as Dr Zann said

Originally posted by DrZann:

We are in luck then since a gun is in this game.

so everybody will probably be happy!

[Charles Wiltshire]

well,this thread is still in first page,bump

[Devin]

Originally posted by Muertington:

Problem is, if you dont add some kind of interaction for the player in the game world (be it guns, melee, something) it boils down to be what is sometimes referred as a walking simulator with some npc interactions.

I dont like the idea of a Cthulhu shooter (unless its made from a more pulp perspective) but as a player I think gameplay comes first, and just walking from A to B doing some interactions and relying exclusively on atmosphere and visuals does not make it for me.

Dont have high hopes but still im very interested in how this game will turn out to be.

Yeah I don't really want to play something like all those dime for a dozen horror games out there.

"Go from point A to point B, pick up an item, go back to point A and unlock the door to point C! Nothing happens along the way, but we make the lights dim and had Keith pluck a string instrument to make things ominous."

[farinelli1800]

Originally posted by PainKiller:

like was in the previos title... its boring game if it scares you onl becouse u cant defend your self..
if this is the case you gonna lose the sales.

Lol......Have you ever played Amnesia? Why are you comparing this game to the old Call of Cuthulhu? The old game was in the end just a shooter with scary atmosphere and has nothing to do with the current game. This new game lives from Story and Investigation. I do not understand why today's children can have fun only when fighting and slaughtering. THAT is boring. Imagine, anyone who likes things to be smarter, calls on Call of Duty developers to remove their weapons and add more stealth and conversation options to solve the problem. If this is not your style of game, just do not buy it, but spare the developers your great wisdom.