Ghosts and Leaderboards - How do they work, exactly?

[roninpawn]

-Are there seperate leaderboards for players using abilities vs no-abilities?
I've been running every level of the game individually for top ranks on my livestreams without abilities, and I'm curious whether the ranks I'm pulling in are VS everyone ever or just others who played sans the bag'o'goodies.

-What are these ghost runs even of?!
I set my ghost to 'own best...' sometimes I smoke it easily, sometimes it's unbeatable and ridiculously cheaty. Hovering, then blasting forward with speed while pulling impossible mid-air kick flips in places where there's nothing to boost from or land on. Meanwhile -- whether I beat this "own best" ghost or not has nothing to do with the scores I'm putting up on the leaderboards. I'll set a new personal best on the leaderbaords, but the path of this 'Own Best' ghost certainly doesn't update to reflect that. So what ACTUALLY is this ghost run of? The #1 on the leaderboard? But that can't be true... I'm sure I've beat lots of these ghosts to the goal. And while we're at it...

-What are these 'own best' times even of?!
My personal best time in the lower left during a ghosted run ALSO seemingly has nothing to do with the highscores I'm putting up on the leaderboards. In reviewing some footage, I can see that during the run, the time in the lower left claims I've completed level 1:7 in 10.122 at some point previously. "roninpawn: 10:122" Then, after routing the level over and over, I manage to clear it with a 10:432, ranking 225 on the leaderboards for a "NEW" personal best.

The leaderboard certainly thinks I just put up a new high score, but the ghost overlay thinks I've put up a 300ms better run at some point. So, which one of these contradicting interface overlays and leaderboard figures is correct?

(*panting*)

If I had to answer my own question, here's my guess: Either from the beginning, or at some point after launch, Clustertruck split it's leaderboards up so people playing without abilities turned on could have a clean leaderboard to compete with. But the ghost runs and PB times never got split. So if you've played with abilities, (or Twitch integration turned on) the ghost and time displayed is whatever your bestest, best, best is without regard to the influence of Twitch integration cheats or player enabled abilities. Thus the disparity between what the leaderboard says, and what the ghost and times are showing.

But that's just a guess. Can Landfall confirm?

[PhilGondor]

Originally posted by roninpawn:

-Are there seperate leaderboards for players using abilities vs no-abilities?
I've been running every level of the game individually for top ranks on my livestreams without abilities, and I'm curious whether the ranks I'm pulling in are VS everyone ever or just others who played sans the bag'o'goodies.

-What are these ghost runs even of?!
I set my ghost to 'own best...' sometimes I smoke it easily, sometimes it's unbeatable and ridiculously cheaty. Hovering, then blasting forward with speed while pulling impossible mid-air kick flips in places where there's nothing to boost from or land on. Meanwhile -- whether I beat this "own best" ghost or not has nothing to do with the scores I'm putting up on the leaderboards. I'll set a new personal best on the leaderbaords, but the path of this 'Own Best' ghost certainly doesn't update to reflect that. So what ACTUALLY is this ghost run of? The #1 on the leaderboard? But that can't be true... I'm sure I've beat lots of these ghosts to the goal. And while we're at it...

-What are these 'own best' times even of?!
My personal best time in the lower left during a ghosted run ALSO seemingly has nothing to do with the highscores I'm putting up on the leaderboards. In reviewing some footage, I can see that during the run, the time in the lower left claims I've completed level 1:7 in 10.122 at some point previously. "roninpawn: 10:122" Then, after routing the level over and over, I manage to clear it with a 10:432, ranking 225 on the leaderboards for a "NEW" personal best.

The leaderboard certainly thinks I just put up a new high score, but the ghost overlay thinks I've put up a 300ms better run at some point. So, which one of these contradicting interface overlays and leaderboard figures is correct?

(*panting*)

If I had to answer my own question, here's my guess: Either from the beginning, or at some point after launch, Clustertruck split it's leaderboards up so people playing without abilities turned on could have a clean leaderboard to compete with. But the ghost runs and PB times never got split. So if you've played with abilities, (or Twitch integration turned on) the ghost and time displayed is whatever your bestest, best, best is without regard to the influence of Twitch integration cheats or player enabled abilities. Thus the disparity between what the leaderboard says, and what the ghost and times are showing.

But that's just a guess. Can Landfall confirm?

Hey roninpawn!

Great videos btw, we love them ;)

Unfortunately I dont have the project locally right now, but as far I recall your explanation makes sense. I did split the leaderboards to "No Abilities" vs "With Abilities" but I am also attaching the ghost directly to a specific entry. So if they mismatch I dont have a 100% proof theory I´m afraid. Hope this does give you some closure at least :) Im sorry to not be able to help further.

Cheers

Philip

[roninpawn]

Thanks for the reply.
Just an idle curiosity.
I'm happily blasting through the ranks with or without ghosts to chase, anyway.
With any luck, you'll be seeing me loitering around the speedrunning end of the community in future.
Thanks for the awesome game.
Feels like you made this one just for me.