Are Macemen overpowered?

[Nero]

I found the strongest unit in the game to be the Macemen. They're incredibly cheap to produce, fast, butcher away light units and are surprisingly strong against stronger units when in masses.

With these guys playing the zerg rush style, 900 macemen and some Archers there's no stopping that I think xD

[Printesa de Aur]

Messaggio originale di zanaikin:

Who parks armies within their own provinces when foraging is on xD rallying point should always be on the enemy side =3

I agree with the Pikes + Archers for the most part. Pikes are cheap and great at holding the line, while archers dish the damage. Start adding in crossbows as the enemy's units get progressively heavier. Maceman are a great early game flanking unit (replaced by knights late game when army space become more valuable than equipment), but they just don't have the armor to push through a well-organized wall of heavies (or chokepoints on castle maps) while arrows are raining down on them.

Personally the ideal army composition to me is:
Peasant/mercenaries + up to 40% Archers (start)
> slowly replace peasants with 40% pikes
> replace remaining peasants with 20% maces
> add up to 10% crossbowmen
> replace remaining maces with knights
> replace pikes with swords as you can afford (more attack power = get through castle chokepoints better)

So endgame armies become...
~35% archers, ~40% pikes/swords, ~15% knights, ~10% crossbowmen

Knights are MUCH better than maceman once you can afford them because they can ram into the enemy archers while their forces are still trying to reorganize at the start of the battle, then run away when their melee tries to reinforce.

For those saying >60% archers.. play harder AI =P They'll outflank your front line if you don't have enough melee to counter theirs

you make good points in the begining but i disagree with your army composition.

i ALWAYS use more than 60% archers. i play this game since late 90s and i porbably have many thousands of hours of playtime. and i always play on impossible difficulty (and even this diff is not really challenging if lords are not spawned close or are not aggressive early on).
60% archers does NOT mean you don't have enough mele. early on you go only pikes and bows which are cheap and you should always field more men than the enemy. pikes do ♥♥♥♥ damage but are very tough, they won't die vs peasants or other units you'll find in early AI armies. bows are amazing since they all attack ALL THE TIME during a battle and because of their range, they will always weaken down enemies before engagements. more archers an army has=better army. if you have less archers and more pikes, you will have a big blob of units stumbling around in the front of your army waiting for other units to die so they can enter battle.

archers deal rather low damage but have a super fast fire rate and are highly effective against lightly armored units (anything but pikes, swordsmen and knights). once enemy army starts having more armoured units, just add 200 crossbowmen to your army and place them right behind first line and you are set.

you can replace pikes with swordsmen later on if you want, but it's not really necessary since your dps comes from bows and crossbows, not front line units.

about knights/peasants, my personal opinion is this: if you ever use knights or peasants in your army composition, you are bad at this game.
if you find yourself laking weapons, maybe you should improve the early game economy strategy.
if you find yourself using knights, you are wasting resources and crowns. they are NOT as good as they seem and are HIGHLY overpriced.

[Chaoslock]

But knights are very fast and can decimate enemy archers very fast at the beginning of a ground battle if the map allows it.
Only use if you have enough resources though, very expensive.
Never use peasants, they're useless unless you make a basic peasant army of 50 to just destroy enemy fields harrassing their economy and diminishing their populace.

[Printesa de Aur]

Messaggio originale di Chaoslock:

But knights are very fast and can decimate enemy archers very fast at the beginning of a ground battle if the map allows it.
Only use if you have enough resources though, very expensive.
Never use peasants, they're useless unless you make a basic peasant army of 50 to just destroy enemy fields harrassing their economy and diminishing their populace.

i completely agree. but i always found that tactic cheap. besides, they can also encircle your knights while you fight archers and you lose those expensive units. keep in mind that knights have the best speed and damage in the game but their armor is average, under pikes (best) and swords(second best).

another cheap tactic for open battles are mass maces. if you attack before the enemy goes into position, you can decimate anything. however, you will always end up losing some units, regarless how much you outnumber the enemy. i always prefer strats that are very cost effective and archer+pike (+crossbow later on) is simply the best.

[FuNk MaChiNe]

In my opinion maceman + pikemen + archers - then u can control pace of entire battle and archers wont be caught by knights or other fast units - because u can counter them by your maceman :)

[Chaoslock]

That bleamin' Countess uses those peasant armies to f**k with my lands, I rather like AI who's not afraid to get its hands dirty. Although it p****d me off to no small amount.
Again, hearing the game's background music just soothes my mind.
Is it just me and my nostalgic view or is it indeed one of the great compositions?

Oh, and I bought 250 macemen mercenaries to go f**k with the Countess' lands, see how she feels about that.

[Master Tails]

Messaggio originale di bulbatrs:

yeah I think macemen are nuts... fast and deal lots of damage, that being said my armies still consist 20% archers 65% peasants.... I just can't manufacture enough weapons for all the peasants in time. even through my peasants are being used as meatshields and die in large quantaties while more valuable troops hardly die at all the relative quantaties stay the same after reinforcements arrive

You nou m8 i nou you are not cheating person like me but you culd use cheat from hex editor to get gold etc you culd get 16.7K gold with it :) I nou you wil not but i am seying you culd hehe:P

[DrBobo]

Messaggio originale di MF | DohItAgain:

Versus a player, you need to assume folks are using the wheat-feeding exploit

Could you please explain? I've sunk a few hundred hours in to this and haven't heard of a wheat exploit. I know wheat is king but is there some sort of cool trick?

[Master Tails]

Messaggio originale di DrRetard:

Messaggio originale di MF | DohItAgain:

Versus a player, you need to assume folks are using the wheat-feeding exploit

Could you please explain? I've sunk a few hundred hours in to this and haven't heard of a wheat exploit. I know wheat is king but is there some sort of cool trick?

Use Hex editor and luck for hex things on this website ''http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/197801-lords-of-the-realm-ii/cheats'' You get all you nead :)

[DrBobo]

Messaggio originale di milos.nova456:

Messaggio originale di DrRetard:

Could you please explain? I've sunk a few hundred hours in to this and haven't heard of a wheat exploit. I know wheat is king but is there some sort of cool trick?

Use Hex editor and luck for hex things on this website ''http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/197801-lords-of-the-realm-ii/cheats'' You get all you nead :)

Yes but this applies to saved games, DohItAgain was referring to multiplayer sessions.

[Master Tails]

Messaggio originale di DrRetard:

Messaggio originale di milos.nova456:

Use Hex editor and luck for hex things on this website ''http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/197801-lords-of-the-realm-ii/cheats'' You get all you nead :)

Yes but this applies to saved games, DohItAgain was referring to multiplayer sessions.

Ahh sorry dont nou anithing about multiplayer tbh but i am glad that i sugested you and gived you link hau to cheat in game hope you are heppy about that part:)

[DrBobo]

lol yeah thanks Milos, I might try it sometime

[Lord Haart]

would love this game in 1080p

[Master Tails]

Messaggio originale di DrRetard:

lol yeah thanks Milos, I might try it sometime

Tbh i still have problems with the game and problems are as folow. i jast hope you can help me solve them or they culd be thiseym here is the list:)
P.S:List of problems i got is alot but if you put this problems aside game work 100% in other things normaliy:)

1.When i cant add more troups to the castle it usualiy sey as i remember''Your castle cant aford that amount of troup.That mesage is stuttered as it blink but not want to show up.
2.It onliy sey ''saving game'' when i am saving but it dont sey loading game as the sound is stuttered.
3.When building a castle as i select it there supous to be a small video that move frue catle but there is not.
4.When taking a battle it used to sey''Wuld you take to feald'' but it dont as ic stuttered and there is nou sound for it.
5.When i defit noble enemiy it supoust to have video on cart as he move out there is onliy sound that i here as he talk about his defeat again video is stuttered jast a blink of it nou video at all.
Ok there is some thing i trayed to fix it but it didnt worked.
1.Nivida control panel i got to ''Manage 3D setings and DSA-Factors are off.
2.I dont have shadow play as some ppl seyed that turning it off it wil help.
I also downloaded Nivida geforce expiriance problem no help at all.I uninstaled game and reinstaled no help at all i backed up game data again no luck.I copied all Lords of the realm 2 files from mine win 95 CD didnt helped at all.I did all i can as i am runing win 7 ultimate 64 bit.If you can help me out i be aprishiated as...on vin XP when i instaled the game the thing i have nau was ok.Also i selected ''Local Files'' and selected Verify integrity of game chache.After that he sey he founded to corupted files that it wil replace but it never did.Also i aded some thing in luncher option and it didnt helped...Tbh i trayed all i can if you can help me out as i seyed then i wil tray to fix it also if you nead to nou i have Nevida card.
PS:Incase you didnt understanded the problem i haved let me nou and i wil exsplane it again:)

[Lord Haart]

a friend uninstalled the whole geforece experience thing, just leaving the drivers, and is having no more probs

[Master Tails]

Messaggio originale di Lord Haart:

a friend uninstalled the whole geforece experience thing, just leaving the drivers, and is having no more probs

I dont nou about geforce experience i haved nivada expiriance and i untinstaled that :)But i tray what you seyed jast nead an exspirianced person as i mine self dont nou what i am duing what...if i ♥♥♥♥ up buy mestake and crash mine whole pc ?:)Well i think ic beter to ask the profesional:) but....there is other 2 things that can help beside yours and ic slowing game in game setings to 0 as ic probobliy two fast or get something or some program that can help me run onliy one cpu core and slov the game:)