Reverse (backward) should be at the same speed as Forward.

[Donoghu]

Hello there. I just bought GRIP and I really like it. It's fun and a good reminder of the old time. :)

Still, I faced one thing that didn't seem alright to me. Once, due to some event/weapon, I ended up flying and woobing around quite high. Not a problem and I steadily steel the car and fall right in reverse position (facing backward). Then I notice the camera is now face also backward so I was think "I got to press reverse to move forward now"... This is when I noticed... Reverse is clearly not ment to be used during races except when you get stuck as its speed and acceleration is really bad.

I think it would a be a lot better to allow reverse at the same speed as forward speed. When in reverse, you still have to think in reverse with the controls... it's just the acceleration and max speed. After all, if you think logically, your car is able to reverse upside-down and not loose speed automatically... yet when in reverse (which uses the same wheel rotation as if upside-down) you aren't able to move as fast.

Just to make it clear again, I'm not writing about the upside-down speed (when turned over), but about the reverse (backward which is toward the direction of the back thrusters).

It could even be something useful when your 1st place as it would also means you can uses your weapons backward by going reverse (but at the cost of not having your back shield).

Anyway. Great start for the game. Just wished to share my one and only concern. :)

[Chili Dogs]

being that the jet engines face out the rear I can't imagine this making much sense at all. The speed will inherently always be slower, kind of like asking a F-18 to go the same speed backwards.

[Donoghu]

Originally posted by FULLBITGAMER:

being that the jet engines face out the rear I can't imagine this making much sense at all. The speed will inherently always be slower, kind of like asking a F-18 to go the same speed backwards.

The true is that the cars aren't jet-propulsed at any time except when you use the boost. Yeah, the jet engine seems to be "pushing", but since they affect 0% the direction while mid-air, those "jet engines" aren't propulsing the cars. The wheels are doing 100% of the job of pushing the car. (Otherwise, whenever the car is in the air and rotating, it would push the car around like a rocket.)

You could see the jet-engine, when not in boost, as simple exhausts points.

So, yeah, when boosting, it would be counter productive (but then again could be used in some creative way by going reverse and using a boost to "slow down" temporary and do something funky at the racers behind or using it for accessing somewhere.)

It's wouldn't be a game-breaking feature neither because reverse is, currently, rarely used. You mostly only use it when you crash into some wall and can't move out without moving back. (Slowing down, while it uses the same "key" isn't related to reverse either.)
This would simply make air-landing a lot more creative and interesting.
Each car would reverse at the same speed and acceleration as how them currently move forward. Nothing glitchy or impossible or even hard to implement within the current systems.

This same-speed-reverse isn't even anormal considering that all the mini-cars (radio-controlled) that has the same kind of movements as in GRIP has this feature.

Your point about the F-18 isn't far-fetched, but it's not totally relevant either as those cars are made to move forward only. (Reverse was only added to allow the car to reverse, if possible, out of the track in case of an accident.) In the case of GRIP, the wheels can rotate on both direction at the same speed since it's required to allow the car to turn upside-down and still reach the same speed.

Still, this is only a suggestion which, in my case if it was applied, would make me try a lot more thing and mastering many tricks. You could see this as a feature that is for those who like to master technics in racing games. (Kinda like with Nintendo's Mario Kart.)

Those are examples of how creative this can be :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP8N0dG108s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNTgswkcO7w

Yeah, they are toys... but they are still following the same principles.

[cyäegha]

what

flavour text asides, they absolutely do affect propulsion in the air, but being that these are cars and not aircraft, the affect on the vehicles is unsurprisingly minute

[Donoghu]

Originally posted by cyäegha:

what

flavour text asides, they absolutely do affect propulsion in the air, but being that these are cars and not aircraft, the affect on the vehicles is unsurprisingly minute

They do not. You imagine they do because the cosmetic visual makes you believe it.
When in the air in Grip, the only control you got is how you circle around. The rest is managed by how the game's movement is programmed (which involve a bit of the engine physics + a force in a direction based on if you're pressing forward or backward that only activate when you're on the ground.)

In the little amount of time I have played this game (yeah short for now), I have make my way into the air about about 10 times for over 4 secs which is plenty to try out the physics + movements of the cars. (As a debugging + 3D artist + C#+Javascript programmer myself, I can easily see how it's made just by playing it for a couple of minute. I could do a clean copy of it if I wanted, but I got nothing to gain from it which is why I'm giving out my opinion.)

Just hit a wall slightly while you're hit by a missile and you'll be flying around plenty of times.

[cyäegha]

right then, wise guy

if the vehicle is unaffected by accelerator input in mid-air, then how is it possible for me to physically alter the speed of my vehicle - which is not touching the ground - by slamming on the brakes?

while that seems like a disingenious argument, within the context of the game engine, it's not just a case of 'hitting the brakes causes the front of the vehicle to pitch down', but a case of 'applying the brakes in mid-air physically changes the arc that the vehicle takes in mid-air by a loss in velocity', and for reference, the vehicles do not have airbrakes

why would we be able to physically lose velocity by using brakes in mid-air, and not gain velocity - or reduce the loss of velocity - by applying accelerator input in mid-air?

you talk about physics; even you should be able to recognise that the real-world outcome of applying wheel-brakes in mid-air is just a shift in weight, not a drop in velocity

Originally posted by Galaxitus / Donoghu:

into the air about about 10 times for over 4 secs

how high?
how much delta v?
what was your AOA?
were you using a light vehicle or a tank?
what caused you to become airborne?

Originally posted by Galaxitus / Donoghu:

As a debugging + 3D artist + C#+Javascript programmer myself, I can easily see how it's made just by playing it for a couple of minute. I could do a clean copy of it if I wanted, but I got nothing to gain from it which is why I'm giving out my opinion

which means less than nothing; you're actually claiming to be able to make a clean-copy of a black-box in a very small fraction of the time CE spent getting it to the state it's in right now

not only is that egotistical and overly self-important, it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

you can't "see how it's made"
you can't "do a clean copy of it if you wanted"
you have everything to gain by doing so, because without doing so, you have no way of proving your claim correct
moreover, you presented your 'opinion' as fact by your rigid claim that the engines do not affect the vehicle while it's airborne, something that the game itself is willing to dispute, unless you now mean to tell me CE is outright lying about what the physics engine allows?

[Sonlir]

TBH the engines are weird.
You can alter your speed in midair sure but if your car is sideways (in the air) they won't push it where its facing and only speed up/down along your initial trajectory.

[Sir, this is a bakery]

Originally posted by FULLBITGAMER:

being that the jet engines face out the rear I can't imagine this making much sense at all. The speed will inherently always be slower, kind of like asking a F-18 to go the same speed backwards.

It's a video game.

And I agree with OP, faster reverse would improve the feel significantly for me too.

[Multramax]

i agree, if you want to put a more realistic (or logic) engine, when you can do this in the mid-air, - the wheels can change it direction of the rotation depend on which side facing the track (it can be at the ground or ceiling) while still maintaining the acceleration - then the engine can have the same speed for the two different direction of the rotation.
but actually i don't really care about that, we can assume that the engine just can't work the same when the accelerator at the front. maybe you can reach the exact same max speed, but it would break the engine.