"No microtransactions or subscription fees. Every content update is free"

[Doom of Judgment]

"Can we have twenty five USD for our game despite the fact that we advertise this on out store page?" You people can call it what you want but you are locking content behind a paywall, which is DLC, which is still false advertising.

[WhyAlwaysMe]

kindra true i thought one time buy and everything you can unlock by playing ...

this dlc is like mtx its true

ik they need money but well ...

[crystalcat23]

Originally posted by Grimsdottir:

Regardless of whatever nonsense you throw at it the "Supporter Packs" are 100% micro-transactions and are absolutely against the no micro-transaction philosophy PixelTail has claimed to use with Tower Unite.

are you dense???? it's not a microtransaction AT ALL

Originally posted by Grimsdottir:

Doing mental gymnastics to pretend it isn't paid DLC isn't helpful to anyone.

if anything, it's DLC like you're saying here.

ALSO ENTIRELY OPTIONAL so quit being so uptight about it ffs

[Bird O' Omens.]

Originally posted by かわいいloliReisaAqua:

4 clowns already, jeez. people are such mindless sheep and cant think for themselves. they think the devs of the game can do no wrong for some reason.

They are thinking for themselves, they just disagree with you and your ego.

[Bird O' Omens.]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

Originally posted by Grimsdottir:

If they need cash infusions they need to come up with other ways than the supporter packs and the patreon benefits because all that stuff just makes me think they will not stick to their promises or principles. Honestly even the Supporter and Pateron tags are microtransactions and its ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I mean, you say about not sticking to the whole promises/principles bit but I feel like the reasons for us even getting two supporter packs this early on is because they're sticking to the whole "Not advertising the game until it is finished", and they're obviously sticking with releasing the content that they promised while also trying to remove all the bugs and optimize the game, so they went with supporter pack route twice instead of trying to release 1.0.0 full of bugs, unreleased content and other flaws.

"This early on"
Bro, it's been nine years.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Bird O' Omens.:

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

I mean, you say about not sticking to the whole promises/principles bit but I feel like the reasons for us even getting two supporter packs this early on is because they're sticking to the whole "Not advertising the game until it is finished", and they're obviously sticking with releasing the content that they promised while also trying to remove all the bugs and optimize the game, so they went with supporter pack route twice instead of trying to release 1.0.0 full of bugs, unreleased content and other flaws.

"This early on"
Bro, it's been nine years.

I was referring to the second supporter pack being released only one year after the first one was released.

[KannaCrossing]

Originally posted by Tens:

Disclaimer: I am an active Patron at PixelTail's highest tier, and I have purchased both Supporter Packs.

I do agree that the storefront should be updated appropriately.
I do not agree with the implication that PixelTail are desperate, hypocrites, or scumbags that have turned away from their policies.

Bluntly: I don't care for OP's argument because I don't consider cosmetics and flairs as content, as they add nothing substantive to a game. That's about as short as I can make it. I understand the point that's being made regarding the implied ethics behind the claim "There will never be subscriptions or microtransactions" on TU's store page, but the way OP has addressed their concerns is rather flimsy and without much merit. Especially when it tries to assert that DLC packs explicitly stated up front that said packs are a way to support PixelTail and the continued development of TU, is the exact same as a $40 FOMO skin hidden behind monetarily aggressive battle passes and "seasons" from your generic FPS/Team shooter/sports sim/etc that are riddled with skips, boosts, and secondary packages that shift on a weekly rotation.

We have a fully fleshed out casino. An arcade (and boardwalk plaza) that is already replete with games, and is slowly getting more as the updates crack on. Bowling, laser tag, fishing, various attractions and distractions all over the plaza.

We have minigolf, Super Monkey Ball lite, Mario Kart lite, a top down horde shooter, 1vAll PVP in the form of Little Crusaders, a quake-like FPS, Virus serves as a last one standing PVP game. All of which are being steadily polished, fixed, and updated with new maps and content to play. Two of these minigames now have custom level support that pays out Units and EXP just like the official games.

We have a multitude of various condos to furnish and decorate, as well as three sandboxes to build our own custom worlds with, with every update adding more furniture and decor to utilize, as well as logic tools and I/O infrastructure to design complex machinations within the condos. We have emulation support for nearly every type of video game you can find the ROM of, with save support to boot. We can host watch together parties, art galleries, events, and any other sort of digitally social activity within our hideouts on PixelTail's server architecture for free without anything more complicated than choosing what privacy filter we want.

Won't even get into the giant that's Workshop support and how it gives us the power to bring in assets of nearly any kind for the whole community to use...

All of this is free to access once you purchase the game. And it's a safe bet that it always will be. Nothing I mentioned has ever been paywalled. Nothing above has required subscriptions or "Premiums" to enjoy. You paid your $20 (Or even less if you got it on sale!) And you got to enjoy all of this at your own leisure, for as long as you wanted, ever since the game first released back in 2016.

Again: There's something to be said about dangling treats to convince people to purchase the Support Packs and back the Patreon when you consider the storefront's claim of "We will never introduce MTX or Subs", I won't deny that. But those treats were never the reason for purchasing said things. Not then. Not now, and probably not ever. I digress. If you think a pair of shoes that get beat out by basic movement tech and a hat are "content", then by all means, say so. If you think a trophy, plushie, and colorful backgrounds count as "content" and TU should be ashamed for "selling out" their principles, then that is your prerogative.

But I don't agree with it. And considering what PixelTail has happily given us without fanfare or applause for almost ten years now despite paltry player numbers and shouldering all the overhead with keeping the plaza servers up AND providing the architecture to let us host our own instances, I think it it all rings incredibly petty and hollow to call foul because people who continue to support the game above and beyond the initial $20 got inconsequential gifts as a way for PixelTail to say thank you for their generosity. As someone else mentioned: Are we going to put up the pickets and pitchforks for the backer rewards that are not longer available? Should we decry the devs for not allowing people to pay to have their name in gold on the boardwalk or on the walls of the tower center anymore? I think if you're in for a penny on something like this, go for the pound and protest for ALL the things you couldn't get without being in the right place at the right time. After all: If cosmetics are content, then so are the backer rewards and you should be entitled to those too, yeah?

Personally: I'd say to hell with the "perks" entirely, but I can't help but wonder if there's some policy related to extra content that states you can't simply offer packs without anything tangible in game, and PixelTail tried to meet the policy while stressing that the support was more important than the benefits. Regardless, the store policy does need to be updated to either append or remove the line in question. But I simply do not believe that the Supporter Packs are indicative of PixelTail being a bunch of hypocrites who lost their way and forgot where they came from. That implication feels terribly mean spirited.

tl;dr - stop coping about your illiteracy and learn to read.

*A lot of edits. Partially to reformat the post, mostly to fix errors.

Well said.

[Wolfgang]

Ah yes the unforgivable sin of *checks notes* optional supporter packs that offer no advantages or core features locked behind a paywall.

[WhyAlwaysMe]

still lie from devs

[KannaCrossing]

I honestly think we have all said what could be said on this topic. Everyone is now repeating or jumping into the thread without reading anything anyone has already said.

[Vyvyvn]

Originally posted by KannaCrossing:

I honestly think we have all said what could be said on this topic. Everyone is now repeating or jumping into the thread without reading anything anyone has already said.

Because it's not worth reading.
Moreso when you're one of the people talking in circles about FOMO that really doesn't matter to anyone with sense.

[KannaCrossing]

Originally posted by Vyvyvn:

Originally posted by KannaCrossing:

I honestly think we have all said what could be said on this topic. Everyone is now repeating or jumping into the thread without reading anything anyone has already said.

Because it's not worth reading.
Moreso when you're one of the people talking in circles about FOMO that really doesn't matter to anyone with sense.

Considering this isn't FOMO, yea. That wouldn't make sense.

Question, why did you bring up FOMO???

[Vyvyvn]

Originally posted by KannaCrossing:

e sense.

Question, why did you bring up FOMO???

Because it literally is FOMO. "Fear of missing out"

If you can't get some cosmetics that ultimately don't impact the game in any way, then yes, FOMO.

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Vyvyvn:

Originally posted by KannaCrossing:

e sense.

Question, why did you bring up FOMO???

Because it literally is FOMO. "Fear of missing out"

If you can't get some cosmetics that ultimately don't impact the game in any way, then yes, FOMO.

For majority of people, FOMO with gaming usually only applies to limited content like the holiday events in TU, not DLC that you can get anytime you want.

[Vyvyvn]

Originally posted by Joshua Kurayami:

For majority of people, FOMO with gaming usually only applies to limited content like the holiday events in TU, not DLC that you can get anytime you want.

Not according to the whinging I'm seeing here.
People acting like their very lives are going to stop because of supporter content.

[GespenstKAF]

You want FOMO that can impact how you play the game? PSO2, with their augment scratch. Someone needs to spend real money to be able to gamble for the chance to get them.

And don't even get me started on their neverending flood of cosmetic crap that just exists to dress up your character.

Screw PSO2.