PvE how are you supposed to beat wedge and his cracked aimbot on labs?

[Lycan]

As the title says, with Wedge now on labs i've found him ultimately impossible to kill, his aimbot allows him to constantly wallbang me without even seeing me and he is able to instantly fire upon seeing any part of your body leading to me dying instantly. I've tried smokes, tried grenade-throws to make them move and then peeking, I've tried watching Sheef and Landmark fight him but because they play pvp the tactics they use simply don't work because the AI is easier for pvp.

I am at a total loss for what to do, how are you supposed to kill him? Is there some cheese tactic or glitch I'm not aware of that you are supposed to be using? I'm only human and I simply don't have the instant-reaction time needed to kill him upon spotting him, any advice or guide videos would be truly appreciated.

[Scamp]

I would recommend waiting until they rework the ai planned later this month or early August. Hopeful that would make everything balance, until then don't do ice breaker/labs atm.

[Lycan]

Originally posted by Scamp:

I would recommend waiting until they rework the ai planned later this month or early August. Hopeful that would make everything balance, until then don't do ice breaker/labs atm.

That's deeply disappointing to hear, I want to "Git gud" at fighting black division but it seems like no one has any tactics for dealing with them beyond "Hold a corner and wait 10 minutes, if you hear movement then just prefire until they walk into your sight" it truly seems impossible to complete this event unless you 5 man it and are willing to sacrifice your team to distract the BD.

[Lucky7-JP]

Wedge n his guards in PvE rn :

1)He saw you u dead
2)You saw him u dead
3)You ads them u dead
4)You throw anything u dead
5)If you use smoke wedge will give u a finger and poke right to your head/jaw
6)You can only Peak A Boo two times then say u don't see me ♥♥♥♥♥, until u jiggle peak another door or u dead

[Lycan]

Originally posted by Lucky7-JP:

Wedge n his guards in PvE rn :

1)He saw you u dead
2)You saw him u dead
3)You ads them u dead
4)You throw anything u dead
5)You can only Peak A Boo two times then say u don't see me ♥♥♥♥♥, until u jiggle peak another door or u dead

There has to be a way to kill him, someone has to have figured something out? A tactic, a cheese, anything. I refuse to believe BSG literally did no playtesting for the AI, it cheating this much has to be intentionally so they must of created some sort of tactic to fight him, else how did BSG staff complete the event?

[Lucky7-JP]

Originally posted by Lycan:

There has to be a way to kill him, someone has to have figured something out? A tactic, a cheese, anything. I refuse to believe BSG literally did no playtesting for the AI, it cheating this much has to be intentionally so they must of created some sort of tactic to fight him, else how did BSG staff complete the event?

I just only know a positive way right now is that you set up a choke point bait the AI let them come for you and mag dump when they try to pass though the door or room, but BSG AI are weird you know sometimes they don't know how to respond at all and just standing getting stuck until you shows up make contact again.

[Lucky7-JP]

Btw the event quest force you 100% to come across black division no way to avoid or go easy in lab rn.

[Koko]

Use nades to force them out of spots or for intel. when they're running they can't fire at you regardless of direction so you can try to pick one or two off in that moment, but that's typically easier said than done

NEVER repeak the same angle on a BD member who already spotted you, once spotted, they should start moving toward you making them a lil easier to kill once they get close

Try to use underground to rotate and get to where you need to go, maneuvering across large portions of the upper levels will get you beamed most of the time. BD are almost never underground, which is a + if you also need those 15 kills for the final part of the quest

Against BD, flashbangs are good, smokes are not. Flashes will buy you like... straight up 1 second to do literally anything, which sucks, but is infinitely better than nothing at all

Stims like you're a heroin fiend

Find someone to duo or trio with, imo it's much easier as a duo than as a huge group so long as you guys stick together but don't bunch up - hold each others weak or wide angles if you're being pushed by a group

Good luck!

[Lucky7-JP]

Originally posted by Koko:

Use nades to force them out of spots or for intel. when they're running they can't fire at you regardless of direction so you can try to pick one or two off in that moment, but that's typically easier said than done

NEVER repeak the same angle on a BD member who already spotted you, once spotted, they should start moving toward you making them a lil easier to kill once they get close

Try to use underground to rotate and get to where you need to go, maneuvering across large portions of the upper levels will get you beamed most of the time. BD are almost never underground, which is a + if you also need those 15 kills for the final part of the quest

Against BD, flashbangs are good, smokes are not. Flashes will buy you like... straight up 1 second to do literally anything, which sucks, but is infinitely better than nothing at all

Stims like you're a heroin fiend

Find someone to duo or trio with, imo it's much easier as a duo than as a huge group so long as you guys stick together but don't bunch up - hold each others weak or wide angles if you're being pushed by a group

Good luck!

That's a very good 101 for dealing with every AI bots, thanks

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Koko:

Against BD, flashbangs are good, smokes are not. Flashes will buy you like... straight up 1 second to do literally anything, which sucks, but is infinitely better than nothing at all

How did you get flash to work at all?
I know that fuse time is short but the aoe is so small.
If you throw it around corner, AI usually gtfo from aoe and not get blinded.

I only done flashbang kill quest thanks to bugged spawn at the north part of interchange where I find flashbang actually do something aside from making AI run.

[TheEffectTheCause]

Its the same online, you can shoot wedge and his guards in the face with full mags of BP, CBJ, they just laugh at you then you get tapped through a shipping container, a truck, a door.. They need toned down a little. Ive killed them, but damn, after they reduced the BD squads on the map these guys seems almost invincible.

[kth]

BD is a joke in the worst meaning of this word. I roll my eyes every time I see someone posting cringe like "skill issue" here or on r*ddit when others complain about BDs. There is no "skill" involved in fighting them. Because you can't fight them using your skill and no, cheesing braindead AI has nothing to do with skill.
AI developer probably was like "hmmm how to make lategame bots hard af without actually investing time into programming their behaviour? ah yes sure, le classic technique, I'll just give them insane reaction speed, best ammo, best armor, more health and aimbot. Heh im soooo good at my job!"
I already have the achievement for this event btw, and escaped Terminal twice (about to escape 3rd time). BD is UNFUN to fight, they DO NOT require skill to fight them and they are annoying af. Perfect example of bad AI in videogames...

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by kth:

BD is a joke in the worst meaning of this word. I roll my eyes every time I see someone posting cringe like "skill issue" here or on r*ddit when others complain about BDs. There is no "skill" involved in fighting them. Because you can't fight them using your skill and no, cheesing braindead AI has nothing to do with skill.
AI developer probably was like "hmmm how to make lategame bots hard af without actually investing time into programming their behaviour? ah yes sure, le classic technique, I'll just give them insane reaction speed, best ammo, best armor, more health and aimbot. Heh im soooo good at my job!"
I already have the achievement for this event btw, and escaped Terminal twice (about to escape 3rd time). BD is UNFUN to fight, they DO NOT require skill to fight them and they are annoying af. Perfect example of bad AI in videogames...

Completely agree

[Izzy]

When people said that BD are OP, I believed them, but I didn't know they were THAT cracked until I experienced that ♥♥♥♥ myself.

One literally kept shooting at me through the metal walls at the hangar gate while I was moving left and right, literal WH lmao. I survived that encounter, but still, tf was that? Bots suddenly forgot that there's a literal wall? lol. What are they smoking there, their own gas grenades or something? Jesus christ.

Twas my first time fighting BD in general, haven't tried IB or ending stuff, but now I see how insanely overtuned they are for your average Timmy, and why & how they pop even streamer heads like it's another tuesday.

Died two times to across-the-map headshots from BD, but next raid killed 6 of them and got out, but all kills were like 5-10m away since in my short experience with them, the only proper way to kill them (for the people who never encountered them before and playing once in a blue moon) is just to bait BD in some room and pop them one by one as they enter.

The amount of them in PVE also doesn't seem to be looking too fair even after the supposed nerf. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's less BD on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Icebreaker than in dark labs right now. I've killed 6, saw 4 more in the middle, and there were around ~6 at Garage and ~6 more at Hangar, no idea if there were any more in the other parts of the map, plus add to allat random raiders and PMCs wandering around. And there's also a boss on top of all that ♥♥♥♥? ayo wtf

Devs should either add a lot of them but tone em tf down to smth like Raider AI, or keep them as cracked as now but reduce the amount by 3-4x and just sprinkle more Raiders & AI PMCs in the whole mix.

Edit: About extracts, best way to leave this dark & godforsaken place seemed to be baiting all the gate guards toward the middle of the map, then circling around and just YOLOing to the extract while praying to all the gods so that I won't get Wedge'd.
I sprinted with all my might scared like an absolute ♥♥♥♥♥ hearing countless "Target Acquired" and such and sat there at the extract while several grenades went flying in my direction. 10/10 horror game btw

[Rabbit]

Wedge?
The whole BD is insane

[Malygos]

My buddy died earlier and so i had to fight them solo. use nades, funnel them like goons and use the cover as they move to you. i died because i was in a bad spot for the fight.

dont use smokes they dont do anything.