What is Japan's obsession with Nobunaga?

[SolviteSekai]

Like seriously. Otaku putting out like 15 games and 6 anime about him in the last year alone.

[MattStriker]

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Japanese Julius Caesar.

I always thought he was more of a Napoleon type. Brilliant tactician and strategist, not so glorious at politics and administration. Caesar wasn't actually that great as a military leader, but he did understand publicity and populist politics like nobody before him.

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If the Ikko-Ikki were as annoying in real life as they were in Shogun 2, i dont blame Nobunaga's reaction :P

They were a huge pain in everybody else's collective backsides. I'd say Shogun 2 simulates that part pretty accurately :P.

[Motrini]

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I'm not sure about what you're getting at ("Nobunaga The Fool" joke reference?) but the Wikipedia pages on Asian history includes plenty of folklore, false myths and plain wrong information (example: the so called "portrait" of Nobunaga by Giovanni Niccolò).

You know there was anime before 2014 right?

I don't remember him having robots anywhere else though.
But seriously, Hyouge Mono is the only anime having the actual Nobunaga as an actual character which comes to my mind (and he's there just for the first few episodes anyway).
...Actually I also remember Ninja Bugeicho (which is barely an anime anyway).

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Japanese Julius Caesar.

I always thought he was more of a Napoleon type. Brilliant tactician and strategist, not so glorious at politics and administration. Caesar wasn't actually that great as a military leader, but he did understand publicity and populist politics like nobody before him.

Don't give it much thought, the comparison I've made wasn't suppoused to be too serious.
Speaking of Caesar though, I think you're understimating his military capabilities.
Putting aside the Conquest of Gaul, he has also defeated Roman armies much stronger than his in the following civil war.

[Arsene Lupin]

In terms of broad historical analogs:

Nobunaga = Caesar
Hideyoshi = Augustus

Seriously, Nobunaga is great and all, but Hashiba is REALLY impressive. Of my "favorite" historical figures, Hideyoshi is probably #1. Saigo Takamori is right up there with him, with Nobunaga coming in third or fourth or maybe fifth, depending on how I feel about Cato at the time.

Also love the Japanese saying(?) about the unification. Does anyone know the actual Japanese for it? The, "Japan is a riceball: Nobunaga cooked the rice, Hideyoshi shaped the rice, and Tokugawa ate it."

[MattStriker]

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Don't give it much thought, the comparison I've made wasn't suppoused to be too serious.
Speaking of Caesar though, I think you're understimating his military capabilities.
Putting aside the Conquest of Gaul, he has also defeated Roman armies much stronger than his in the following civil war.

This is getting a bit off-topic, but...most of that wasn't military strategy and tactics as much as politics. Gaul wasn't primarily won by force of arms, it was won by Caesar's diplomacy turning various gaulish factions against each other, allying with some and sabotaging others and basically weakening all potential resistance through bribery and backstabbing until nobody was able to stand up to his forces and those of his gaulish allies, which ended up becoming the core of romanized Gaul. Likewise, his civil war victories were as much due to his diplomatic and political maneuvering as to the strength of his legions. He repeatedly managed to talk outnumbered enemies into joining his forces and ensured his opponents would find no allies abroad (a policy that may or may not have directly led to the assassination of Pompey). In his actual battles during the civil war, he was frequently saved by sheer dumb luck and/or somebody on the other side screwing up by the numbers.

Don't get me wrong, Caesar was certainly a competent general, but his true genius lay in the field of politics.

[Alice®]

u see? japanese people fell into this nobunaga cult. nobunaga even said japan didnt need two emperors...and you know what that means right? In fact, akechi mitsuhide did the justice by murdering his lord to rectify the status quo of old japan. just watch http://www.dramatv.tv/watch-drama/gunshi-kanbee-ep-28-english-sub.html AT 5:22

[[ 狼 ] Aokami]

Won a few wars, lost a few wars, made huge alliances and movements to unify Japan, got betrayed, and died whilst his build up eventually led Tokugawa on his way to unification. If Europe made anime, we'd see a ♥♥♥♥ ton of Joan of Arc, if greece made anime, we'd see a ♥♥♥♥ ton of 300 sempai mode, if chine made anime we'd see a ♥♥♥♥ ton of 3 kingdoms and etc. Should be easy enough to realize why.

[warchief214]

Nobunaga was a supreme statesman, and should be a model for anybody wanting to unify their country, aside from that I want to see him no more in video game,....Tired Yoda is!!! Bring back Golgo 13 will you???? Hmm lol

[warchief214]

Oh wow these kids dont know how fckn bad Golgo 13 was on nintendo, lol of all the game remakes that shouild have been the most remade, lol Nobunaga came out around the same year I think..

[warchief214]

Oh and Caesar wasnt as smart a tactician as he was an ellicit opportunist, which in some conflicts mainly invasions is the rubicon of success. Caesar was more on shock and violence of action like Gengis Khan. He was basically a civilized marauder. There are very few examples of his tactics politically or on the battlefield that indicate finesse. Nobunaga was what you call these days a full spectrum soldier. Part diplomat, part Warlord , part social worker.

[SolviteSekai]

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Oh and Caesar wasnt as smart a tactician as he was an ellicit opportunist, which in some conflicts mainly invasions is the rubicon of success. Caesar was more on shock and violence of action like Gengis Khan. He was basically a civilized marauder. There are very few examples of his tactics politically or on the battlefield that indicate finesse. Nobunaga was what you call these days a full spectrum soldier. Part diplomat, part Warlord , part social worker.

and you are a weeaboo

[Kaiser GX]

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Oh and Caesar wasnt as smart a tactician as he was an ellicit opportunist, which in some conflicts mainly invasions is the rubicon of success. Caesar was more on shock and violence of action like Gengis Khan. He was basically a civilized marauder. There are very few examples of his tactics politically or on the battlefield that indicate finesse. Nobunaga was what you call these days a full spectrum soldier. Part diplomat, part Warlord , part social worker.

and you are a weeaboo

Says the one who had the name Sekai and Senpai in their name.

[SolviteSekai]

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and you are a weeaboo

Says the one who had the name Sekai and Senpai in their name.

Knowing the language doesn't make you a weaboo.

Thinking Japanese historical figures are superior to western ones based on your obsession with Japan and it's culture does.

[Jack Jackson]

Uh I don't think saying japanese historical figures are better than western ones in this instance can be a valid sign that a person is obsessed with japan and it's culture. Your accusation makes no sense lol.

Just to make it clear, I'm not agreeing with Oda>Caesar either. Caesar had a bigger impact on the world in the grand scheme of things after all; that doesn't mean that Oda is someone to be scoffed at either.

[Blahto Blahtoto]

How about Napoleon and Adolf Hitler?

[SolviteSekai]

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How about Napoleon and Adolf Hitler?

Hitler wasnt a military leader. He had people for that.