Will AI Oda always trigger Honnouji ?

[Pippin123]

AI played Oda has already diverged from history, having swallowed the Tokugawa and vassalized the Asakura.

As Uesugi, I can either mop up northern Japan or make nice with the Takeda and others to start an anti Oda coalition.

My only question is, will Honnouji always trigger ? (Oda hasn't captured Nijo palace yet, but will soon). If it does, I might as well not worry about Oda yet and just wait for it to disintegrate into smaller factions.
Othewise, might as well nip it in the bud...

[salatrin]

Not 100% sure, but id think as long as all the conditions are met then it should, so Akechi must be with oda, he must own certain castles and might even need to be as far as Hashiba being at Himeji, Nobunaga and Nobutada at Nijo, Shibata at Kitanosho etc, but the one thing that might work against it happening in your case is Tokugawa being swallowed up as one of the big conditions for Honnoji is the Oda/Tokugawa coalition still being in effect.

[Blahto Blahtoto]

I think it will happen IF the date is 1582 regardless of what ♥♥♥♥ they do, EXCEPT that the following events may not happen....
Are you in the God of War scenario?

[Pippin123]

Yes, and it's barely 1560...
The issue with attacking the Oda now for me are these damn Takeda mountains...
Funneling armies into Owari through the Imagawa corridor from Odawara is going to be a meatgrinder, especially if it's to fight the likes of Katsuie Shibata

[Thamalandis]

Originally posted by Pippin123:

The issue with attacking the Oda now for me are these damn Takeda mountains...
Funneling armies into Owari through the Imagawa corridor from Odawara is going to be a meatgrinder, especially if it's to fight the likes of

Ieyasu Tokugawa. In the end that is what the Oda abused. They chose the battlefield and shot down the blindly charging cavalry of the Takeda. Circumventing that problem is the strategic problem here. If you got enough supplies - and territory outside of the mountains - consider wasting some k to move the armies early to a frontline. Never loose that bridgehead and keep pushing.

[Tyronis2054]

In my current game which is up to 1584, starting from 1534 scenario... Nobunaga is still very much alive, so it seems the event doesn't always trigger..

Maybe it could be because Nijo Palace was actually first taken by Tokugawa forces first, than reclaimed later by Oda when the Suzuki took it over... However, does was all done well before 1582, so I thought it woulda have triggered too.

It could be , by 1580, there was pretty much only several clans left...

Otomo in their region, Mori in the center, Oda, and follow the Chokosobe in their little Island... so the Mori and Chokosobe are in constant state of War with Oda, and since Oda is always marchin, perhaps it missed the window for the event to kick in, not sure.

so it guess it depends on unhistorical the game is by the 1580s... which means the earlier you start the hader it is for it to trigger, even for the AI.

[Pippin123]

The event never triggered, but and Oda forced my hand.

I was trying to finish the Takeda when Oda decided to join the war on their side.
They sent a large portion of their armies in the mountains to defend Takeda fortresses, which allowed for a "by the book" pincer attack, with my Kanto forces pushing almost unopposed up to Nagoya, while Kenshin came from the north to attack Gifu.

By the time the Oda armies came back in Owari from the slow mountain roads, I had Mino secured and half of Owari. Without the Sunpu Palace bottleneck, they were crushed by the numbers.

I did a quick pause to finish the Takeda, and then push them back to Honganji. They started a coalition, but it was too late. Uesugi victory.

On a side note, Recruiting conquered Daymyos is really OP: My Kanto forces were managed by Ujiyasu Hojo himself, and this particular army unit just steamrolled everything:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=523342140

[TwoHeavensAsOne]

It's quite annoying when Oda allies with Takeda. My first playthrough with this game, I was playing as the Uesugi, and when the Takeda were on their last legs, the Oda decided to jump in. Well, I crushed all of them anyway... And... Another Uesugi victory! :D

[erobotan]

Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin in the same unit?? That combination should be banned!