Oda are imposible to defeat

[ANDY JHONSON QUISPE HUAMANI]

I'm playing a Takeda campaign on hard.

While I conquered Shinano and all the Uesugi , Hojo , Imagawa and in between, Nobuhide conquered all of Owari, Mikawa , Mino and everything North of that.

By the Time I decide to invade West to march to Kyoto I am way stronger than his heir Nobunaga, however, there are two problems:

I've tried and lost like 10 times to win this war, it is imposible, the Oda have allmost all the policies even if they are a PRGRS CLAN, so they have like 10k+ troops on every fortres and around 25k+ on every castle, and some like Kyoshu have 35k Armies.

Even if I micromanage (which is a pain since my clan control is normal on this game) I've managed to conquer Mikawa and Echizen and some province north of Mino, however what the Oda do, is that they keep sending infinite waves of men while conquering the west (Yamato and then even as far as Chugoku) since the war lasts like infinite turns, they have enough time to conquer the west and thus never run out of suplies (the fact that its hard difficulty also helps them), in many simulations, they always reconquer all I took from them and then crush me.

Honestly, theres absolutly nothing I can do to conquer the Oda, Owari and all the Yamato provinces are broken as hell, they have all the technologies so they have infinite soliders/harvesrt and somehow can unkeep 100k gold of policies every turn. I ahve better officers but it ammounts to nothing vs infinite troops and such easy to defend provinces like Owari.

[ANDY JHONSON QUISPE HUAMANI]

btw the point of the post is that the game is unbalanced as ♥♥♥♥, I am Takeda, I should be able to take down the Oda if anyone is, and how the hell does Nobunaga have ALL policies? He is PRGRS but has most conservative policies,plus all of the neutral and prgrs ones.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

One of Nobunaga's trait is Progressive allow him to use every single policies in game with an except of unique policies. Demon isn't? everything he throws at you are powerful.

[ANDY JHONSON QUISPE HUAMANI]

It really pissess me off, I literary can't do anything against him, and the fact that the game is so bad at managing many armies (like you can't drag click to select multiple armies) makes me more pissed off...
The worst thing is that I cant even kill this ♥♥♥♥ because they removed assasination from the game.

[Michael]

Originally posted by Shishio:

It really pissess me off, I literary can't do anything against him, and the fact that the game is so bad at managing many armies (like you can't drag click to select multiple armies) makes me more pissed off...
The worst thing is that I cant even kill this ♥♥♥♥ because they removed assasination from the game.

You can drag click to select multiple armies. Just hold down shift then drag click away.

And yes, the Progressive trait is insanely unbalanced. You need to hit him either before he unlocks the trait, or before he becomes big enough to take advantage of all the policies.

[Kanji Tatsumi]

I guess you made a wrong move early on. You should ally with Imagawa and Hojo and crush Oda early in the game. There is an event call triple alliance between Imagawa, Hojo and Takeda.
Use that to march West early.You can't win this game if you didn't have Nijo Palace.

I play Honganji in Hard Mode, the tricky part is Hoganji castles/forts is split at three different places.
One army conquer West while the Eastern army is in stalemate situation against Hojo,Oda,Imagawa,Takeda,Uesugi,Date Coalition. Once my Western Army conquer enough castles I simply use the War Ban policy.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=527217728

[BlackPhoenix]

that's why this game called Nobunaga's Ambition ><... suggestion is hire Honda Tadakatsu and give him as much troops as you can... then fight with a mass battle and use him to rush to the enemy commander.... with his skill enemy troops is nothing but a paper you can easily with every battle as long as he have enough soldiers. (that why playing Tokugawa is the easiest game play for me ><)

[archita]

i played twice times with Takeda and I have seen Oda crushed by Imagawa everytime...

[Pippin123]

I never tried that, but can you try a "scorched earth" tactic to gradually weaken him ?
Like capture a fortress then dismantle it, instead of trying to hold it for the counter attack.

This is going to present a supply problem for you later on, but removing Gifu and Nagoya from the equation might help ?

Also, is there no one left alive in the West to do a coalition with ? To at least keep him occupied while you conquer Mino/Owari ?

You can also try to get rid of Nobunaga himself by using officers with the capture skill and doing manual battle to try to capture and execute him. Or wait for Honnouji or natural death.

The game is not balanced, but most historical games aren't. At least this one is very "deterministic" with people having specific skills and specific lifespan...

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Originally posted by Pippin123:

I never tried that, but can you try a "scorched earth" tactic to gradually weaken him ?
Like capture a fortress then dismantle it, instead of trying to hold it for the counter attack.

This is going to present a supply problem for you later on, but removing Gifu and Nagoya from the equation might help ?

Also, is there no one left alive in the West to do a coalition with ? To at least keep him occupied while you conquer Mino/Owari ?

You can also try to get rid of Nobunaga himself by using officers with the capture skill and doing manual battle to try to capture and execute him. Or wait for Honnouji or natural death.

The game is not balanced, but most historical games aren't. At least this one is very "deterministic" with people having specific skills and specific lifespan...

Nobunaga has very short lifespan even without Honnouji incident as long as you didn't disable a lifespan at the start of new game of course.

The scorched earth tactic is working very well with the abundant lands like Owari Province. disable its fortress greatly wound anyone who control that area. There is no point to get yourself yet another abundant land since you probably already have your own, yes?Considering you start taking over the land and fight Nobunaga now.

[DKB]

The Oda Clan is pretty easy to manage actually. Just create a coalition against him with any surviving clans, (use distant diplomacy if you have to), then engage in a two pronged war. Focus on three key attack points at once, it doesn't matter if two fail because you're only focusing on getting that breakthrough victory. Once you get it, keep pushing as far as you can. The more castle you get, the less the Oda can reinforce themselves. Rinse, repeat, until you have more territories than the oda.

Also attacking the Oda as the Takeda? Are you insane or just crazy? The Takeda's mountain range doesn't provide them with too many soldiers, while the Oda have access to what is essentially the Garden of Eden. Here's a plan: Draw forces from the North, and then place them on your clan's borders until you have a sizable force of around 100 thousand to 200 thousand. Then invade using the Imagawa territory. I cannot stress this enough: AVOID THE MOUNTAIN PATH.

[さまよう侍]

@Shishio,
Have you consider Hunting Ground or the Facility that makes troops stronger?
If I were desperate as you're now, I'll start capturing Officers and execute them onsite.

[ANDY JHONSON QUISPE HUAMANI]

Update, I won, what I did is load my earliest save file (which is a few turns before he takes Nijo palace) and attack him with absolutly everythig i had, every solider form every castle and fortress, luckly managing to take Owari and Mino , and everything east//north of that before he captured Nijo and thus unlocked the progressive trait.

By the time he got it, he doubled his troops from like 200k to 400k but I already had like 700k and kept attacking him.

Just won by war ban:)

[DKB]

Originally posted by Shishio:

Update, I won, what I did is load my earliest save file (which is a few turns before he takes Nijo palace) and attack him with absolutly everythig i had, every solider form every castle and fortress, luckly managing to take Owari and Mino , and everything east//north of that before he captured Nijo and thus unlocked the progressive trait.

By the time he got it, he doubled his troops from like 200k to 400k but I already had like 700k and kept attacking him.

Just won by war ban:)

Congratulations! That sounds like an epic war!

[Warrmachine2]

Funny you should mention that. Today I was playing as Takeda on normal from Viper of Mino scenario and just defeated Imagawa after a long war. Nobunaga dad just died and I decided to wait until the Viper died from his event. Then I used his son to launch a pincer attack with my Shinano armies from the North while I had Shingen and 6 other armies hitting from the South. Just make sure you have armies hitting from several paths to get the flanking bonuses and it's an easy win.

I took all 7 of his castles within a half year. It was much easier than taking down Imagawa mainly because those damn mountain roads offer no alternative route.

But honestly you have to take Nobunaga down before he takes Mino or Mikawa or Ise. Otherwise he will have way too many troops for all of his talented generals.

[mrdragonrider]

You have to do some strategic thinking from the beginning for the end game. For example, "Kiyosu Conference" in hard mode (with the wide Daimyo control as only edit), I was playing a custom clan with 1 fortress in Kanto. In the course of the game, it was inevitable to push Hojo, and Tokugawa being an ally to Hojo continue to attack me in Kanto. I could easily push against Tokugawa but didn't because eventually I had to face down Hashiba Hideyoshi. By weakening Tokugawa, it will only make Hashiba expand much faster and stronger.

Instead, I made Uesugi an ally and push East to Date, Ashina, Mogami, and Nambu. By the time, I conquered all the land east of Kanto, Hashiba was still fighting with Tokugawa, Kiyosu Oda, Gifu Oda, and Shibata in Tokai with Kiyosu and Okazaki under Hashiba control. That was the time I started move West. While Uesugi taking Shinano, I drove through Kai, Suruga, Totomi to finish Tokugawa off. With Uesugi and Shibata providing enough distraction for my push against Hashiba, I ram through Tokai and Kansai to break his area of control to fragment his land holdings. Once Hashiba's Kansai control is broken, that was the game.