Who are some evil characters?

[ReMeDy]

Is maybe anyone with the profit ideal like that, if we consider that akin to greed? There doesn't seem to be anyway of knowing for sure at a quick glance.

[Wolfparable]

Most of the profit people ive seen in game havent been particularly notorious or wicked sounding. As far as i know there isnt a specific thing that just says "evil guy here"

[Grand Historian]

Originally posted by Wolfparable:

Most of the profit people ive seen in game havent been particularly notorious or wicked sounding. As far as i know there isnt a specific thing that just says "evil guy here"

Hisahide Matsunaga is distinctively called 'villainous' in the Oda storyline. And he acts pretty evil.

[Daimyō]

^ I also think that Ukita Naoie can be classified alongside Matsunaga.

[Grand Historian]

Originally posted by n0fail:

^ I also think that Ukita Naoie can be classified alongside Matsunaga.

Naoie comes off as more of an anti-Hero to me given he's more focused on revenge than anything else - kind of like a more sinister Shingen. But yeah, villain isn't a really big stretch either.

Speaking of which, I would say that Shingen can be interpreted as a tragic villain as much as an anti-Hero, while early Masamune has some distinctively villainous tones with his massacres and talk about conquering the world. Same applies for late Hideyoshi and his tyranny, though it's a pain to get the events dealing with them.

Takanobu Ryuzoji probably would have been prortrayed in a rather villainous light if the Ryuzoji got any content of their own, but Western Japan was seriously neglected.

Nobunaga's intimidating, but surprisingly not really villainous or an anti-Hero. Fulfills more of the 'Force of Nature' role, I think.

Darth Tsunehisa Amago is the best villain in game, though, without a doubt. Amago also have one of the best storylines.

[Kai]

question, is the amago storyline over once tsunehisa amago dies?

[Grand Historian]

Originally posted by Kai:

question, is the amago storyline over once tsunehisa amago dies?

It ends after Tsunehisa's true death at Gassantoda, yes.

[Nox]

ieyasu tokugawa imo

[Grand Historian]

Originally posted by Nox:

ieyasu tokugawa imo

In real life, but he's not very evil in-game.

[}BoW{+Texas Trooper]

Amago is not the best villian in game however, as you say. In the early game, Amago defines himself as a darth villian with a perfect student in his grandson. He however refers to the head of the Mori as the real villian and the real threat to the Amago. His grandson was surprised it was not the Ouchi.

[Delacourt '27]

Tsunehisa choose Motonari as his "successor" at the end of quest, who used "stolen" tricks from the master to take over all of his former powerful neighbors' castles, after the master's death.

Hojo who uses their special policy to out populate all of it's neighbors. And one dirction expansion.

Shimazu's one direction expansion.

Hisahide Matsunaga's plot ruins a good stats family, even though they start with a fortress with -300ish population, and a few with less then 100 population.

Pick one for game/history villian of your choice.

[Grand Historian]

Originally posted by }BoW{+Texas Trooper:

Amago is not the best villian in game however, as you say. In the early game, Amago defines himself as a darth villian with a perfect student in his grandson. He however refers to the head of the Mori as the real villian and the real threat to the Amago. His grandson was surprised it was not the Ouchi.

No, the entire story is that Tsunehisa was plotting to ensure Motonari's rise to power; be it leading the Amago or ending with the destruction of the Amago, he didn't care. As he said; 'I have no personal ambitions or desires, I simply bring my schemes to life and slay my enemies' - he constantly fools everyone around him into believing in the Amago's righteousness early on while simply using his family as pawns to lure Motonari and the Ouchi to Gassantoda. He said early on that Motonari was someone who had 'stolen' his schemes from him and that for the Amago to survive he would have to be defeated; but in the end he ends up inviting Motonari to take over the Amago, saying that because he had stolen his schemes he was the only one who could unify Chugoku, and his final words are that he and Motonari would walk the path of conquest together, validating that it was his primary goal. Ultimately, him saying that nothing was above sacrifice was the biggest indicator to the twist; it was in reference to Hisayuki's, and to a lesser extent his entire family's lives, but it makes perfect sense when he invites Motonari to take over the Amago; the entire clan could have been sacrificed for all he cared.

And, out of curiosity, who would you say is a better villain?

[phadin]

Originally posted by Imperator Justinian:

Originally posted by Nox:

ieyasu tokugawa imo

In real life, but he's not very evil in-game.

Thats likely because most of the things we might consider 'evil' in modern society Tokugawa didn't really do until after Sekigahara, as he was consolidating power for his brand new shogunate. During much of the time prior to 1600, Ieyasu and the Tokugawa clan was bowing to the pressure of other clans. They were bound to the Imagawa, allied to the Oda to survive against the Takeda, allied with the Hojo, submitted to the Toyotomi... Through it all Ieyasu was growing the Tokugawa power base through alliances and negotiations rather than conquest. When time came for him to finally make an offensive move, the Tokugawa were second only to the Toyotomi in terms of power in Japan.

[Grand Historian]

Originally posted by phadin:

Originally posted by Imperator Justinian:

In real life, but he's not very evil in-game.

Thats likely because most of the things we might consider 'evil' in modern society Tokugawa didn't really do until after Sekigahara, as he was consolidating power for his brand new shogunate.

He killed his son and wife in an attempt to eliminate as many blood ties to the Imagawa and Takeda as he could...

And it wasn't just due to pressure from Nobunaga: Ieyasu was notoriously on a bad foot with both of them.

[TheSaboteur]

Originally posted by Imperator Justinian:

Originally posted by phadin:

Thats likely because most of the things we might consider 'evil' in modern society Tokugawa didn't really do until after Sekigahara, as he was consolidating power for his brand new shogunate.

He killed his son and wife in an attempt to eliminate as many blood ties to the Imagawa and Takeda as he could...

And it wasn't just due to pressure from Nobunaga: Ieyasu was notoriously on a bad foot with both of them.

He also kidnapped one of Oda's sons and made a bid for his former allies' lands. Fun fact: The kid was a baby.