FF 7 Remake RUINED

[Random]

So we all feared this but it happened, remake will not be turn based and is officialy action based combat.

My dumb question is why call it REMAKE? And not FF7 - Cloud returns or some other ♥♥♥♥

Edit:

http://kotaku.com/why-the-final-fantasy-vii-remake-will-be-split-up-1746598619?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

I dont know where to start with this bs. They knew they cant remade whole world in new engine so ♥♥♥♥ it lets do what telltale does. Episodic FF7 remake i mean HYPE! ...not.
Or maybe they just do in each "episode" different battle system like in FFXIII Lightning Returns. That can be good right? (*yawn*)

http://kotaku.com/the-final-fantasy-vii-remake-wont-be-exactly-the-same-1711909183

So story is in crosshairs as well? Well why not, story is old and it needs remake as well.

Edit:

http://kotaku.com/remember-the-final-fantasy-vii-remake-will-be-a-totall-1747540665?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

Even "journalists" are siding with SQ and welcome all changes. Even saying everything should be defferent.

So why call it FF7 Remake then?! Just do new IP and do another game. Dont leech of FF7 name. FFS some people dont get this at all....

[Xengre]

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Infinite Clouds:

Messaggio originale di Entitled Survivor:

People still use "professional" reviews as a measuring stick? As if they have any credibility.

FF7R is cashing in on nostalgia, as more people play it and finish it, all the hype will die down and be replaced with apathy. No one is gonna remember or care about it in a month.

Future instalments of FF7R are not gonna do as well.

This. People extolling its sales numbers are ignoring the fact that the game not only cashed in on nostalgia but also was advertised as a remake and not a reboot/sequel to the compilation. They will either wrap up this new story in 1 more game or you will never see it finished. Square Enix has ridiculous sales expectations and when the sequel doesn't perform as well as this one did (it own't) they will can any additional games.

You are both incorrect. FF7R is actually being fairly faithful. Only part that is significantly, and potentially meaningfully, different is the end stuff in episode 1. Until recently that stuff hinted at possibly a wildly different story from the original, however, Kitase and others have since explicitly confirmed it will be faithful to the original keeping major events intact. It may change some minor stuff along the way but the core story is intended to remain on track.

Yes, people may go "omg but Aeris knows she will die so surely that will change the story!" and stuff but this would be false. For starters, we don't know exactly what each character saw of the events in contrast to what we, as the viewer, witnessed and not all characters may have seen the same thing. Secondly, in the original game there is actually dialogue between Cloud and Tifa about Aeris knowing she would die or not suggesting the possibility she knew existed and that she still went. In addition, they saw chunks of events but it may not mean they know what leads up to them or can change and prevent them from happening. At best it may give them a slight edge in certain situations to not totally wipe, game over in the story, and figure out a plan in other situations. As for Zack... literally a different world. That is like saying someone who is alive in Heaven or an alternate dimension has a feasible direct impact on our world. I'll let you think about that one...

As for 1 more episode... no, actually we found out in that same interview with Kitase it may be even more than three episodes quite possibly as he talks about splitting it into small parts to release episodes at a faster rate and keeping downtime lower but letting you do more in the span of the areas/story segments it covers similar to episode I. This move may not only alleviate but strengthen the overall remake because its scale will be even larger than originally expected.

As for Lord of the Infinite Cloud's "hype will die down" blah blah... You base that on zero evidence. You are just throwing out statements in a silly tantrum. So far it is very well received and if it releases at the new pace Kitase suggested it will maintain its momentum so long as quality doesn't dip or a really crippling design/story change doesn't appear.

[NBOX21]

Messaggio originale di Xelane:

I'm not the one acting like the title of the game is incorrect.

But you're not acting like you're right either.

Messaggio originale di Xelane:

Could have fooled me, given how hostile you've been this whole time.

I'm just someone with an opinion, yet you insult me for having that opinion. Now you've come to insult me for respecting someone else's opinion and the people behind the remake. I'm not fooling anyone here, nor am I even trying to.

[Xelane]

Messaggio originale di Xelane:

I'm not the one acting like the title of the game is incorrect.

Messaggio originale di NBOX21:

But you're not acting like you're right either.

You may want to edit that, as it doesn't communicate what I think you're trying to say. The way you phrased it here, you're making it sound like I'm NOT acting like I'm right, and I'm pretty sure you're trying to say the opposite.

Messaggio originale di Xelane:

Could have fooled me, given how hostile you've been this whole time.

Messaggio originale di NBOX21:

I'm just someone with an opinion, yet you insult me for having that opinion.

You've been pretty hostile in this discussion ever since my response to infinite clouds. So, since you aren't going to be respectful, neither will I.

[Lord of the Infinite Clouds]

Messaggio originale di Xengre:

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Infinite Clouds:

This. People extolling its sales numbers are ignoring the fact that the game not only cashed in on nostalgia but also was advertised as a remake and not a reboot/sequel to the compilation. They will either wrap up this new story in 1 more game or you will never see it finished. Square Enix has ridiculous sales expectations and when the sequel doesn't perform as well as this one did (it own't) they will can any additional games.

You are both incorrect. FF7R is actually being fairly faithful. Only part that is significantly, and potentially meaningfully, different is the end stuff in episode 1. Until recently that stuff hinted at possibly a wildly different story from the original, however, Kitase and others have since explicitly confirmed it will be faithful to the original keeping major events intact. It may change some minor stuff along the way but the core story is intended to remain on track.

Yes, people may go "omg but Aeris knows she will die so surely that will change the story!" and stuff but this would be false. For starters, we don't know exactly what each character saw of the events in contrast to what we, as the viewer, witnessed and not all characters may have seen the same thing. Secondly, in the original game there is actually dialogue between Cloud and Tifa about Aeris knowing she would die or not suggesting the possibility she knew existed and that she still went. In addition, they saw chunks of events but it may not mean they know what leads up to them or can change and prevent them from happening. At best it may give them a slight edge in certain situations to not totally wipe, game over in the story, and figure out a plan in other situations. As for Zack... literally a different world. That is like saying someone who is alive in Heaven or an alternate dimension has a feasible direct impact on our world. I'll let you think about that one...

As for 1 more episode... no, actually we found out in that same interview with Kitase it may be even more than three episodes quite possibly as he talks about splitting it into small parts to release episodes at a faster rate and keeping downtime lower but letting you do more in the span of the areas/story segments it covers similar to episode I. This move may not only alleviate but strengthen the overall remake because its scale will be even larger than originally expected.

As for Lord of the Infinite Cloud's "hype will die down" blah blah... You base that on zero evidence. You are just throwing out statements in a silly tantrum. So far it is very well received and if it releases at the new pace Kitase suggested it will maintain its momentum so long as quality doesn't dip or a really crippling design/story change doesn't appear.

Not reading your wall of text... faithful? Yeah all the time travel just like in the original game. I WILL bump/necro your post in a few years from now when the sequel comes out and the story is whatever the hell they want now -- which is the entire point of the ending. You'll have some backpedaling prepared, I'm sure.

[Xelane]

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Infinite Clouds:

Not reading your wall of text... faithful? Yeah all the time travel just like in the original game. I WILL bump/necro your post in a few years from now when the sequel comes out and the story is whatever the hell they want now -- which is the entire point of the ending. You'll have some backpedaling prepared, I'm sure.

So instead of reading their post explaining their stance...you're going to ignore it, call them out for their opinion that you DIDN'T READ, and then quote them in the future--STILL NOT HAVING READ IT TO KNOW WHAT IT EVEN SAYS--to expose them?

[Kethanid]

Messaggio originale di Xelane:

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Infinite Clouds:

Not reading your wall of text... faithful? Yeah all the time travel just like in the original game. I WILL bump/necro your post in a few years from now when the sequel comes out and the story is whatever the hell they want now -- which is the entire point of the ending. You'll have some backpedaling prepared, I'm sure.

So instead of reading their post explaining their stance...you're going to ignore it, call them out for their opinion that you DIDN'T READ, and then quote them in the future--STILL NOT HAVING READ IT TO KNOW WHAT IT EVEN SAYS--to expose them?

LOL, should be a great read in 2022.

[Skunk]

Anyone who has watched or played the game knows it isn't a faithful adaption, it's a retelling with lots of edits and added junk. Time travel fart clouds and all.

There's more filler to stretch the story out into multiple episodes, that video someone posted was extremely accurate when the reviewer compared it to the Hobbit movies.

Why tell the story in one game/movie when we can milk the fans for three or more?

Imagine taking any game made in the last 20 years and redoing it, cutting up the story into 3 separate games. It's ridiculous.

We aren't going to see anything new or exciting for X amount of years as they continue to milk this franchise. I have no interest in an episodic retelling of a classic game.

I'd rather play the classic itself or something new entirely, not the Frankenstein abomination that is FF7R.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Messaggio originale di Entitled Survivor:

Anyone who has watched or played the game knows it isn't a faithful adaption, it's a retelling with lots of edits and added junk. Time travel fart clouds and all.

There's more filler to stretch the story out into multiple episodes, that video someone posted was extremely accurate when the reviewer compared it to the Hobbit movies.

Why tell the story in one game/movie when we can milk the fans for three or more?

Imagine taking any game made in the last 20 years and redoing it, cutting up the story into 3 separate games. It's ridiculous.

We aren't going to see anything new or exciting for X amount of years as they continue to milk this franchise. I have no interest in an episodic retelling of a classic game.

I'd rather play the classic itself or something new entirely, not the Frankenstein abomination that is FF7R.

Splitting the game into episodes doesn’t really bother me. Trying to compact everything in the original into a game with modern standards would be a development nightmare. It would be too big for most PCs and consoles, probably be rushed and poorly optimized given the time constraints or you would have to wait over a decade for it to be completed. The end product would also end up being either too similar to the original or some content would have to be removed.

I prefer that they pace the game out and expand it while keeping it actually able to run. The pacing difference also keeps the original game from just being replaced.

You can’t even make the argument that you’re paying more for the same story since we have no idea where the plot is going now.

My only real issues with Remake are some of the filler stuff, the fact that they seem to not be letting any characters die which removes a lot of weight the original had, and that they’ve thrown in some themes that don’t really have anything to do with the original story. The game represents the will of the planet, as well as a metaphor for diehard fans of the original, as an antagonistic force that you actually kill at the end which is incredibly off from the original. Why are there FFXIII themes in FFVII?

[InstableMonster]

Messaggio originale di The Sorrow:

Messaggio originale di Xengre:

........ however, Kitase and others have since explicitly confirmed it will be faithful to the original keeping major events intact. It may change some minor stuff along the way but the core story is intended to remain on track.

If that's the case that they are going to keep the story true to the original what would be the point of adding the ghosts/timeline stuff? The fact that it's there heavily suggests that they will be changing the story or there would literally be no point.

If they do keep the story like the original I think the new story elements would be even more unwelcome as that means their only purpose would be to increase the time of the game(s).

So in short they are either changing the story, or it's just there as filler.

They can keep the important beats of the story and changed how they are approached and executed to make them feel different. You're tyring to make this a binary choice when it is not.

[kiteless 凧無し]

With modern games you expect modern cinematics, they eat up a lot of harddisk space, especially when you re lip synch the cutscenes for multiple languages. Even if they had not padded out the midgar section, trying to remain faithful entirely to the original game with modern cinematics would be too much for one game.

ff7 remake is a whopping 90gb download, thats a lot. They obviously went the segmented route knowing this, plus being able to recycle assets for quickly made sequels was too tempting.

What worries me is that they themselves don't seem to know how many parts the entire remake will be, its as if they're just playing it by ear one episode at a time and haven't really thought it through from beginning to end. The rewrites at the end of remake now gives them an excuse to do whatever they really want with the plot also

[Xengre]

Messaggio originale di InstableMonster:

Messaggio originale di The Sorrow:

If that's the case that they are going to keep the story true to the original what would be the point of adding the ghosts/timeline stuff? The fact that it's there heavily suggests that they will be changing the story or there would literally be no point.

If they do keep the story like the original I think the new story elements would be even more unwelcome as that means their only purpose would be to increase the time of the game(s).

So in short they are either changing the story, or it's just there as filler.

They can keep the important beats of the story and changed how they are approached and executed to make them feel different. You're tyring to make this a binary choice when it is not.

What Monster said.

It can also be used for tension and hype as it occurs at the end of episode I and leaves players going "OMG" with rabid discussion be it positive or somewhat negative which only further boosts attention on it going forward in preparation for later episodes. Sometimes there are just flashy extras added on top of things but behind all that smoke and mirror it doesn't actually amount to anything more than that while its true form remains unchanged.

[Casual Amateur]

You know what this remind me of. Final Fantasty 7 remake becoming a bit more like Tell Tale serise that developer release each episodes at times. Most of the people in that Tell Tale community are cool with waiting for each episodes.

[kiteless 凧無し]

apparently the 2nd part is only in the planning stages, not even in development yet
looks like we're in for a long wait

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Messaggio originale di kiteless:

apparently the 2nd part is only in the planning stages, not even in development yet
looks like we're in for a long wait

Part 1 did just come out. They need some public feedback to know what might need to be changed.

[Xengre]

Messaggio originale di kiteless:

apparently the 2nd part is only in the planning stages, not even in development yet
looks like we're in for a long wait

Script is already written and core design concepts/engine are basically done so they can rapidly develop it in about 1-2 years with how they have stated they intend to do the episodes. The biggest issue is mass producing assets, but this is very possible in this situation contrary to typical game development. Handling freedom of exploration/world map related and returning to past areas is the big potential hiccup point for the entire franchise tho... I get the impression with this smaller episodic format that freedom will be heavily restricted or removed, unfortunately, in favor of a more developed story driven experience.