FINAL FANTASY VII

FINAL FANTASY VII

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Moonvalley Feb 24, 2024 @ 3:57pm
List the stuff Remake got wrong
i'll start.

it exists

What else did the two current remakes get WRONG about FF VII?
Originally posted by Teratus:
So much.. so so much and the more I see the more the remake infuriates me..

Originally it was just the fact that they needlessly replaced the combat system from party based strategy to brainless hack and slash with near useless AI companions.

Original FF7 was by no means a mega strategic game but it definitely could have been in the remake.

But nah, lets make most of the party AI and basically there for show unless the player opts to control them and make the combat utterly brainless button mashing because people are too dumb to actually learn how to play games these days.

But then the story came along.. and oh boy did they change as much as possible while keeping as little as possible..
Plus they utterly ruined the main antagonist by constantly having him be where he shouldn't like an attention seeking child who needs to remind everyone he exists every 10 seconds.. the F were they thinking.

Fan favourite characters being utterly removed as playable because the devs are too lazy to code them in for the endgame.. proving to a point why re-releasing a single game in episodes was a moronic thing to do in the first place.. and likely motivated far more by greed than any excuse these remakes are any kind of "passion" projects.. they're not, and the fact that the remake completely b**tardizes the original is more than enough proof of that.

And of course bloating the games with tons of enemies, summons, materia abilities etc that we nowhere near available at that point in the original games... because hey we had to make an entire game out of a 5 hour segment of the original so it was either that or you have basically nothing by the time you reach the end..
Oh and from what I hear basically nothing.. not your levels, materia, weapons, items etc carry over to rebirth.. except a couple of bonus summons.

What a complete joke these remakes are.. not to mention colossally offence and disrespectful to the original game and it's fan base.

These remakes feel like lazy knockoffs.
Like some greedy company decided, hey lets take a very popular game and make our own version of it.. make it "modern" visually to sucker in the fools who only care about how pretty a game is and change enough about it how it plays and it's story.. but not enough so that people can't tell it's a completely different game so that we can't get accused of it being a cheap knockoff even though it clearly is and then we sell it in segments, each segment ofc being a full priced game so we can milk as much money out of it as possible.

And that's all they really are.. they're not remakes, they're just crap imitations of pieces of a far, far better game.
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Devsman Feb 24, 2024 @ 4:18pm 
Well at least you can admit you were never going to like it no matter what they did.

I guess one for me would be the lighting. It kinda nerfs how much the Midgar undercity sucks. Not a lot else comes to mind though.
Moonvalley Feb 24, 2024 @ 5:22pm 
Originally posted by Devsman:
Well at least you can admit you were never going to like it no matter what they did.

I guess one for me would be the lighting. It kinda nerfs how much the Midgar undercity sucks. Not a lot else comes to mind though.


i played it on PS4 at launch, got the platinum trophy in it.

The combat, along with the completely unnecessary changes to the story is what ruined it for me. i guess i felt like it was NOT a remake,

Dead Space 2023 and Persona 3 Reload are REMAKES, 1:1 (or damn close) to the original, THAT is what i wanted from FF VII remake, obviously multiple parts were needed, i have no problem with that, but to ruin the entire story with nonsense..complete :smilepoop:
I'm waiting till all 3 remakes are out before diving into them but I guess one of these days ill look up the changes the remakes made from the original game as I am somewhat curious now that I'm thinking about it...:D:
Moonvalley Feb 24, 2024 @ 7:39pm 
Originally posted by ᑕYᗷEᖇᑕᗩT:
I'm waiting till all 3 remakes are out before diving into them but I guess one of these days ill look up the changes the remakes made from the original game as I am somewhat curious now that I'm thinking about it...:D:


Take the Final Fantasy VII world, add in awful action combat and a story worse than Kingdom Hearts and you have the "remake"

i'd just read bad fan fiction at this point at least that's free.
NGC4889 Feb 25, 2024 @ 1:22am 
First I should say I liked Remake a lot, and appreciate the amazing new graphics that stayed true to the original character designs and story for the most part. FF7 is my favorite game of all time so here goes.

As for criticisms of Remake:

->Combat was a bit spammy, but still pretty fun. I probably broke the dodge key had to spam it so much like it was FF7 1997's arch rival Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time (complete with a mimic of Z targeting 2 decades after Zelda 64 introduced it).

->Game was cut drastically short compared to the original epic.

->I also recommend against too many pointless side quests, but I don't think they overdid it too much. Endless dumb side quests have killed at least two games for me: Skyrim (never finished) and now Cyberpunk. In Cyberpunk I'm still getting spammed on the phone from pointless side quests like 90 hours in, so I just Alt-F4. What stands out to me about 1997 is the linearity of the plot with the amazing non-linearity of the world that make the world feel completely open but well guided and natural.

->I think that the Whispers looked s*i*e in remake, nothing compared to the stunning particle visuals of FF7 1997, where they didn't even exist. Also they were out of place compared to the original game. Whispers were the biggest plot sin in the remake compared to the original, and looked bad. Like some weird sack things. At least try harder on the visuals if you need to torture us with your unnecessary creativity.

->Introducing Sephiroth as a boss too early violates the suspenseful lore of the original. But I can tolerate it to an extent because I realize they wanted to make dramatic scenes since they decided to butcher the original game into multiple parts for profiteering (again understandable).

->The entire end sequence. I actually thought this was cool, but a complete violation of the original game for no apparent reason. It made no sense as an accurate "Remake".

-> Killing Barrett and resurrecting him means everyone is now invincible because fate won't allow it? How nonsensical is that?

-> Dead characters are alive now??? But we assumed them dead as a door-nail in the first. What is this madness? I can slightly tolerate it because I really liked those characters, but it still seems like a violation of the lore. Then again in FF7 1997 we never actually have proof of their deaths. I don't know about all that LOL.

->The backgrounds of maps were so 2D it was insane. Considering the visuals elsewhere, couldn't they give it a more realistic feel? I mean this follows the "set" type design of the first, but maybe they could have made more effort with this considering the generation.
Last edited by NGC4889; Feb 25, 2024 @ 1:30am
PseudoRex Feb 25, 2024 @ 12:18pm 
Remake peaks when is following OG events or expanding those events, like Rebirth's Demo

Not a fan of the filler content like Leslie quest in the sewers

At this point VIIR is a reimagination of the OG game, just like the last evangelion movies
Devsman Feb 25, 2024 @ 12:22pm 
Originally posted by PseudoRex:
At this point VIIR is a reimagination of the OG game
...
What was it before this point?
Electric Cupcake Feb 25, 2024 @ 6:53pm 
I would say they call Aeris "Aerith," but since this is a parallel universe, it gets a pass.
didymos1120 Feb 25, 2024 @ 10:29pm 
Originally posted by Electric Cupcake:
I would say they call Aeris "Aerith," but since this is a parallel universe, it gets a pass.

"Aerith" was always the intended transliteration. "Aeris" was a mistake.
NGC4889 Feb 25, 2024 @ 11:10pm 
Skyrim (and others): I think I forgot my chickens on the other side of the country. Can you go get it for me.
ME: Hell yeah I bet I get something amazing out of this...
Skyrim (and others): Timmy fell down a well, can you go get a rope for him from the shop.
ME: Wow amazing plot, I can't wait for the rest of this story.
Skyrim (and others): I got 9999999999 more where that came from.
ME: That's so creative, except, I have to stop playing now coz this is taking too long to do your pointless ****. I bet the ending would have been good though.

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FF7: You should probably go here, and I promise an amazing cutting edge 1997 cinematic soon.
ME: Okay...
FF7: Here's a cool cinematic and I didn't even put a marker on your map.
ME: Not bad...
FF7: I hid crazy stuff on the map but I won't make you do it to guilt trip you about it, search around if you want, otherwise just go here and I'll keep telling the epic story.
ME: Nice!
FF7: By the way here's a random battle and I hid something no sane person could find.

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FALLOUT 4: Here's a side quest, I won't tell you I spawn them infinitely.
ME: Okay cool, guess I should make a calendar and cancel my plans for the rest of my life.

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CYBERPUNK quest 1000000: !"($! "($&!"($!()" "!_($&!"($&"!($&!"($!"($_ (!"_$
ME: Wow that's amazing, you said a swear word, you're so cool and trendy.
CYBERPUNK: Here's a 40 gig patch, I reset your upgrade points and completely changed the game for your enjoyment.
ME: Alt-F4

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FF7 Remake: I wish I was more like other RPGs
Me: Please don't
FF7 Remake: Okay only a few side quests and here's a completely pointless plot twist.

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Hope you enjoyed the parody.
Hybelkaninen Feb 29, 2024 @ 2:30am 
I agree with you on this, the issue is that it exists.
But then again, look at it as a COM-PLETE re-imagining and not as a remake.
NGC4889 Feb 29, 2024 @ 3:15am 
We probably shouldn't mention how the latest 8GB poorly documented FF7 Remake patch just went down with the steam gaming community... That wasn't pretty.

In terms of re-imagining, it is hardly a complete re-imagining, it aligns strongly but not absolutely with the original. The sense is that they overall aimed for a replication of the original Midgar section.
MightyMonte88 Feb 29, 2024 @ 3:48am 
Lmao.

For starters, they are absolutely milking the series and the fans now. I've been a FF fan since 1996, and i will never buy another FF game again.

I am not dishing out the cost of a PS5 + the copy of the 2nd part of the remake, plus the price of the other parts as they slowly release. This isn't the 1990s, console exclusives are nothing but another cash grab.

They took one of our favorite games, chopped it up, and are re-selling it to us one limb at a time.
Guybrush Feb 29, 2024 @ 6:01am 
The main problem of the "remake project" is the same from every other entertainment work on now days. Like movies and mainly series.

Looks like they are trying to surprise the user all the time for no reason. Remember "Lost"?
They was looking to users opnions and fans theories and every new episody they change it complete from what people expect to surprise.

Square is full crazy on this vibe with the remake. Adding every strupid fiction theory on every moment to surprise users that expect something from original.

Original Final Fantasy VII has a huge spin natural fluid. Has an amazing base with an original planet, different villans, a group of nom natural heroes... They weren't forcing it. It has it fictions by it self. Now on remake you have ghosts, destiny ghosts that fight other ghots. People that die and don´t at same time. With a ♥♥♥♥ multiverse stupid think. Just for what? The same from movies and series that loses your points to get more audience that like plot twists.

This is bad. Really bad. Worst than split the game in 3.
For me Rebirth is compared to Star wars episodies 8 and 9. That´s it.
NGC4889 Feb 29, 2024 @ 6:17am 
Yeah! No parallel alternative realities please... it's not clever or unique and wrecks entertainment by not making any sense and ruining the uniqueness of the time path. Keep it for very specific cases in entertainment, for example where it is unexpected or threatening, then it is okay (Terminator 1-3). Or in comedy (Back To The Future). But when the characters are constantly like "Oh yeah don't worry it's another reality" (Terminator 5) or something, it gets dumb and meaningless.

However, I think they kept mostly to the original to make it acceptable and the game was still spectacular in graphics with good game play. It was nice to see the classic in modern form and they did a good job of the characters.
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Date Posted: Feb 24, 2024 @ 3:57pm
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